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[Peteski]

5hane, what you need for indoor training is a nQX
While you've been fannying around with these temperamental little micro helis, I've logged about 150 flights on my nQX and the only thing worn out is one of the original lipo packs. Just ordered another 4 packs to keep it flying around the house day and night.
Also getting better at controlling it in full-on agility mode (i.e. actually flying it, not just hovering about). A few weeks ago that was only a pipe dream as it's ultra-sensitive in agility mode. Makes the big helis on the sim a piece of cake to fly.

[Chrisrw]

Hi,
Try this link:
http://ganninger.de/DX6i-mSRX.pdf
It the one a lot of people start with.
I would try just limiting servo to start (70% DR on elev and aile) with whatever expo you prefer (+10% to +30% etc). If you are already using little or no expo (in the sim or on the msrx) be careful as too much will be confusing. I now use a lot of negative expo (-50%) as I want the msrx to be quite sensitive (on -50% it's still less responsive than my CP helis on +15%!).
The mix settings (mix1 and 2) on the link will help with turns initially - I don't use them now but they helped at first.
When doing the MMmod I'm not sure if the mix settings should be enabled - they may counteract what your trying to correct. Anyway, to do the MMmod (which is just changing the length of the swash links) you need to be able to get into a stable hover and then adjust the TX trims to make the msrx come off heading lock - and then watch to see which direction it starts to slide - to do this you may need some reasonable control over the heli to start.

[5hane]

Just had my first flight of the MSRX.
First impressions; it feels very different to the MSR. No more TBE and so feels more stable, but I don't think it wont last very long unless I can somehow make the sticks less responsive. I had my first prang after just 30 secs as this thing is so quick. The instructions made me laugh, suggesting i take off without using any input from the right stick. That's fine for those that like taking off sideways lol. I don't think the MSRX survive another hit.

Before my next flight I would just like to ask what I should do to tame down the controls? I've read several different suggestions online, all of which are different to each other.
Is there a simple proven guide I can be linked to that works?
I hear lots of talk of the MM Mod, but I would have thought it best to tame the controls down first before physically messing with the heli.

Thanks

[5hane]

Hi guys - good luck with the msrx's. I've beem out today flying circuirs with my blade 450x - all of which I wouldnt have thought possible back in november when I got the msrx.It definately a good next step. Do look up the MMmod (helps with stability turning) on the msrx.

Didn't take you long to progress then. I will look up the mm mod everyone keeps mentioning. So is the standard thing to do: Bind as described in the MSRX manual, then do the mm mod? No messing with the DX6i settings, which is probably a good thing as that's still way over my head.

[Peteski]

In my stubbornness I went for the MSRX, but still appreciate the nQX suggestion. Keeping my fingers crossed it's a good'n.

At least it's actually a heli! The mSRX is one I'm sure I'd enjoy right now, but think I'll wait until I get a bit better and then probably jump to a mCPX BL for the garden. I've kind of given up on getting an advanced house micro heli for the moment. I think it would be a bit pointless just hovering as I can do that with the nQX and sim all day long. Having said that I'm still sorely tempted by both the mSRX and nano CPX!

[Chrisrw]

Hi guys - good luck with the msrx's. I've beem out today flying circuirs with my blade 450x - all of which I wouldnt have thought possible back in november when I got the msrx.It definately a good next step. Do look up the MMmod (helps with stability turning) on the msrx.

[5hane]

I almost bought an mSRX from there too the other day, does look a good deal. Decided to stick with the nQX for now though. After a lot of practice I can hover it in all orientations pretty confidently with all the stability aids switched off. Finding it even easier on the sim, so guess it's working. I'd really like to get an advanced micro heli too, but they seem a bit hit or miss out of the box. Hope you get a good one!

In my stubbornness I went for the MSRX, but still appreciate the nQX suggestion. Keeping my fingers crossed it's a good'n.

[Peteski]

I'm being slightly pedantic here, but dual rates (DR) don't limit servo travel. They limit the amount of travel requested by the TX. The controller on board the heli may still use full servo travel if required (eg. to keep the heli stable in windy conditions)

Minor point I grant you, but worth knowing!

I was just trying to keep it simple. I'm sure I'll be learning it all again when I get a big CP heli! Of course with the nQX it's all electronic control anyway as there are no servos to worry about. All I need to know right now is that 70% D/R reduces the maximum rates by some 30% and increasing expo makes the stick less sensitive around the centre e.g. +10% Expo is fairly subtle and +40% feels like quite a lot. I find the response curves displayed on the radio screen very helpful for setting D/R and Exp together.

[tomatwalden]

I found it easier to understand by just looking at the graphs on the radio when playing with the D/R & Expo values. Rate (D/R) just limits the maximum servo travel (or in the case of the nQX limits maximum pitch and roll rates) and the Expo basically just reduces stick sensitivity around the centre point, but keeps the same maximum rates i.e. the rate ramps up as you move the stick more.

I'm being slightly pedantic here, but dual rates (DR) don't limit servo travel. They limit the amount of travel requested by the TX. The controller on board the heli may still use full servo travel if required (eg. to keep the heli stable in windy conditions)

Minor point I grant you, but worth knowing!

EDIT : My statement above is true of modern RC helis with flybarless controllers and quads. Old flybarred helis did indeed have servo travel limited by DR.

[Peteski]

Thanks I will have a play, I have to admit I have no real idea what they all mean but I will try the settings and Google what they all mean for the Dx6i

Cheers

I found it easier to understand by just looking at the graphs on the radio when playing with the D/R & Expo values. Rate (D/R) just limits the maximum servo travel (or in the case of the nQX limits maximum pitch and roll rates) and the Expo basically just reduces stick sensitivity around the centre point, but keeps the same maximum rates i.e. the rate ramps up as you move the stick more.

[Bluenose75]

In agility mode I have mine at 70% Rate and 20% Expo for elevator and aileron and 100%/10% for rudder. In stability mode I have 100% Rate on everything and 20% expo for indoors, 0% outdoors. Still sensitive, but flies great on these settings. I find if you dial in too much expo it becomes too slow to react to inputs and you end up over-correcting. But 20% seems a good compromise for indoor flying. I keep the rudder at 100% rate because it doesn't actually piro that quick anyway and is the same piro rate in both modes.

Although you can tame down the settings, you have to remember that the physics of the model doesn't change, it is super featherweight and actually needs a pretty sharp response to keep on top of it.

Thanks I will have a play, I have to admit I have no real idea what they all mean but I will try the settings and Google what they all mean for the Dx6i

Cheers

[Peteski]

I need to tame the Nano QX I'm finding it tricky!

In agility mode I have mine at 70% Rate and 20% Expo for elevator and aileron and 100%/10% for rudder. In stability mode I have 100% Rate on everything and 20% expo for indoors, 0% outdoors. Still sensitive, but flies great on these settings. I find if you dial in too much expo it becomes too slow to react to inputs and you end up over-correcting. But 20% seems a good compromise for indoor flying. I keep the rudder at 100% rate because it doesn't actually piro that quick anyway and is the same piro rate in both modes.

Although you can tame down the settings, you have to remember that the physics of the model doesn't change, it is super featherweight and actually needs a pretty sharp response to keep on top of it.

[Peteski]

I looked at the mSRX but I thought it was discontinued and was worried about spares? is it?

Yes it is discontinued, but plenty of spares around and probably will be for the sort of life expectancy you could expect. Not many new ones left in stock though now, only the link above from well known suppliers. But I think I'm going to give the mSRX a miss and concentrate on the sim + nQX. Still enjoying my mCX2 too, it's good for flying tight circuits and spot landings etc.

[Bluenose75]

I looked at the mSRX but I thought it was discontinued and was worried about spares? is it?

[Bluenose75]

I almost bought an mSRX from there too the other day, does look a good deal. Decided to stick with the nQX for now though. After a lot of practice I can hover it in all orientations pretty confidently with all the stability aids switched off. Finding it even easier on the sim, so guess it's working. I'd really like to get an advanced micro heli too, but they seem a bit hit or miss out of the box. Hope you get a good one!

I need to tame the Nano QX I'm finding it tricky!