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  • Time to give CP a try?

    Hi,

    This is my first post to this forum and I'm quite new to heli flight etc :-)

    First a bit of background...

    I've been interested in the idea of flying RC helicopters for a few years now and about 6 months ago I bought an RTF Blade coaxial with a bunch of lipos. I had lots of fun flying it about my living room for a few months but very quickly found the whole experience a bit limiting. I could fly the thing all day long and not crash it, including doing relatively quick figure 8's in forward and reverse, some nose in flight, nose in funnels (sort of) and anything else I could make it do. If things got really out of shape, 80% of the time I could catch it and save my walls. All this became a bit boring as it wasn't much of a challenge anymore, it just wasn't as much fun as it was when I started out so I ordered a DX6i and a BNF Blade MSRX. What a difference (and a handfull)! It was like trying to control a demented wasp. It was fast, responsive and quite a challenge. At first I concentrated on just getting it airborne and catching it in a hover and keeping it there. I got through a few blade grips, blades and even managed to dislodge the motor after one particularly heavy crash but things got better and I ventured into forward flight using right rudder to navigate the wasp around my room. I found left rudder to cause pretty drastic backwards flight needing a LOT of correction to be controllable, to be fair right rudder causes some forward flight but its definately more controllable. I've put these down to characteristics of the heli and just got on with flying the thing and catching it before things got out of shape. I'm now at the stage where I can fly the MSRX quite energetically around my living room while maintaining good control. I've got to the point where I'm confident to chuck it about using lots of control input travel and throttle to fly the thing quickly but can use very subtle inputs to fly it in a slow and controlled fashion also. When things get out of shape I can catch it quickly, often using additional throttle to give me the power I need to change it's direction quickly. If I'm honest, I still find left piros hard to control but I can do fast right piros and nose in funnels without it getting out of shape. Partly because of the left rudder issues I know I've not done enough nose in practice. I hope this comment makes sense but I don't tend to think as much about keeping it under control any more, just I mix rudder, throttle and cyclic inputs to fly it where I want as fast as I have space. The left rudder issues are definately holding me back when it comes to nose in hovers though.

    So, my question is simply is the MSRX holding me back? Is it time for me to think about making the leap to a CP heli? If so, which would be a good step up from my demonic little MSRX?

    To be clear all of my flying so far has all been indoors. I would like to venture into outdoor flight as well, but I do enjoy flying indoors and will probably always want to.

    Many thanks

    Martyn

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    Hey Martyn


    Welcome to the forum

    Sounds like you need a bigger heli. Personally i think a 450 size would suit you. some will argue go bigger. Depends a lot on your budget and how much time you are willing to invest in learning how to set up a model and get it flying properly.

    This forum is generally pretty friendly and most questions are answered with polite and sensible replies.

    For me I would get a trex 450 or gaui x3 which come as combos. Alternatively the blade series make ready to fly helis which postpone the hard and rewarding aspect of building a little longer.

    If money is no option and you want to join a club, then getting a 500-700 size machine will be the easiest to learn on, but the initial outlay and repair costs are quite daunting for some.

    The bigger the machine the less the wind will interfere with your flying and learning.

    Lessons and joining a club are also good ideas

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    • #3
      for use indoor/outdoor mcpx
      outdoor trex 450 to keep costs down
      i agree with the joining a club being a good idea
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      • #4
        Thanks for the replies guys.

        I was thinking a bigger heli would probably be on the cards but having somewhere suitable to fly it was a bit of a concern. I guess joining a club would solve that one. Is there a club list anywhere? I'm in Chippenham so would need to find somewhere fairly local. Might be a silly question but is it cool to just turn up without having something suitable to fly?

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        • #5
          Look at the bmfa website for a list of clubs. Most will have a website. Heli only clubs are probably better as plank flyers can dislike heli flyers. Get in touch with the club secretary and ask. Most clubs will be accommodating. Some have a waiting list.

          For your info I don't practice what I preach as I have never joined a club. Lack of time being the main reason. I therefore found a quiet open space near me to fly in which suits my hectic lifestyle.

          Ultimately once you get a bigger machine it will be necessary for you to fly somewhere they doesn't put others safety at risk.

          Bmfa or RCHA insurance is also advisable.

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          • #6
            look on the bmfa web site at their club locator
            most clubs will let you turn up to have a look and a chat
            Hirobo Turbulence D3
            a bunch of bls servo's and a 701 gyro
            Powered by an OS91 hz and a MP2
            Winner of the LHC Scale Cup 2011

            1/4 scale Vario Bell 47 G3
            1/3 scale Vario R22
            2012 LHC Scale Cup Judge
            member of save the flybar foundation
            www.alcesterhelicopterclub.bmfa.org
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            • #7
              Thanks. Just found one in Calne, which is just up the road from me. They seem to welcome helicopter pilots so I'll give them a shout tomorrow and see where it goes.

              Thanks again for the advice, much appreciated.

              P.S. 'plank flyers' ha ha love it

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MartynGT4 View Post

                P.S. 'plank flyers' ha ha love it
                Lol shhhh. Don't say that out loud when you visit or you won't get very far.

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                • #9
                  Martyn,

                  I suggest you consider two different helis, as indoor and outdoor in CP really is two things IMO ..

                  For indoor CP flying, the nano-CPX is probably best I think. The mcpx/BL is perfect for indoor sports hall, but if by indoor you mean in the house, the nano-CPX is the one.

                  For outdoors - I think a 450 is a good size if you're flying on your own. Even in a club, a 450 as a first CP can feel big enough for some. Certainly if was for me. It also was a size that wasn't so big that I couldn't fly it in the fields near my house when I couldn't get to a club. Honestly, I wouldn't recommend flying anything bigger outside a club environment as a beginner.
                  Tom
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                  • #10
                    Hi,

                    Just a note to say thanks for all the advice folks, was a very nice intro to the forum

                    Anyway, because initially I'll be doing most of my flying indoors I've ordered a nano. Looks like it'll be a good intro to CP, I've already got lots of lipos that will fit it and it should be cheaper to fix than a 400 class while I'm getting used to CP flying. After a while I'll probably invest in something bigger.

                    Thanks again

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                    • #11
                      Hi Martyn, welcome to the forum.
                      Something else to consider, a simulator would also help you learn the moves without the expense of crash repairs.
                      I use Phoenix but there are other simulators out there, I believe Real Flight is supposed to be good.
                      There is a section on the forum discussing simulators.
                      Hope that helps, good luck.
                      David

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MartynGT4 View Post
                        Hi,

                        Just a note to say thanks for all the advice folks, was a very nice intro to the forum

                        Anyway, because initially I'll be doing most of my flying indoors I've ordered a nano. Looks like it'll be a good intro to CP, I've already got lots of lipos that will fit it and it should be cheaper to fix than a 400 class while I'm getting used to CP flying. After a while I'll probably invest in something bigger.

                        Thanks again
                        Good luck! The nano is a brilliant little heli for indoors. The first thing you'll notice about CP is the sheer speed of the rotors. They're much faster than fixed pitch - hence why a small machine like the nano is perfect. On a calm day, it flies pretty darned well outdoors too!

                        Get ready with the spares though! ;-)
                        Tom
                        sigpic Synergy E7SE - Kontronic Helijive 120+ ESC, vBar Neo
                        SAB Goblin 630 Competition
                        - Castle Edge 120HV, vBar Neo
                        Blade 700X - Castle Edge 160HV ESC, Mini vBar
                        Logo 550SXv2 - Castle 130LV ESC, vBar Neo
                        .... and a Gaui X3
                        Spektrum DX8 ; Mikado VBC ; RealFlight 7 & neXt sims
                        ... and two EGS'



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                        • #13
                          Well the nano turned up this morning.. it wasn't long before I had the TX setup with stock settings and a lipo in the heli. What followed was as commical as it was tragic but after a few crashes and a new found respect for the left stick I got it in a hover and flew it round the room. I thought the MSRX was a bit of a handfull at first, this thing is in a different league but I LOVE IT!! One of my early crashes appears to have loosened the main gear slightly, causing it to slip on it's shaft slightly which had the effect of making the main blades vibrate like crazy around zero pitch. I fixed this by pushing the gear back up slightly, might use a bit of threadlock to keep it there.

                          Obviously I've got tons to learn but it's fun, seriously good fun!

                          Thanks again.

                          P.S. Will be investing in a simulator very soon :-)

                          P.P.S. tomatwalden, I see what you mean about the head speed!! :-)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MartynGT4 View Post
                            Well the nano turned up this morning.. it wasn't long before I had the TX setup with stock settings and a lipo in the heli. What followed was as commical as it was tragic but after a few crashes and a new found respect for the left stick I got it in a hover and flew it round the room. I thought the MSRX was a bit of a handfull at first, this thing is in a different league but I LOVE IT!! One of my early crashes appears to have loosened the main gear slightly, causing it to slip on it's shaft slightly which had the effect of making the main blades vibrate like crazy around zero pitch. I fixed this by pushing the gear back up slightly, might use a bit of threadlock to keep it there.

                            Obviously I've got tons to learn but it's fun, seriously good fun!

                            Thanks again.

                            P.S. Will be investing in a simulator very soon :-)

                            P.P.S. tomatwalden, I see what you mean about the head speed!! :-)
                            The main gear slipping is normal on the nanoCPX and mCPX helis. I shouldn't worry about it really - more often than not, it stops something else breaking. Just keep a pen-top handy to help you push it back after a crash!
                            Tom
                            sigpic Synergy E7SE - Kontronic Helijive 120+ ESC, vBar Neo
                            SAB Goblin 630 Competition
                            - Castle Edge 120HV, vBar Neo
                            Blade 700X - Castle Edge 160HV ESC, Mini vBar
                            Logo 550SXv2 - Castle 130LV ESC, vBar Neo
                            .... and a Gaui X3
                            Spektrum DX8 ; Mikado VBC ; RealFlight 7 & neXt sims
                            ... and two EGS'



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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tomatwalden View Post
                              The main gear slipping is normal on the nanoCPX and mCPX helis. I shouldn't worry about it really - more often than not, it stops something else breaking. Just keep a pen-top handy to help you push it back after a crash!
                              Thanks. I've had this happen quite a bit but a quick push on the main gear and it's back to normal. Had a nasty tail wag going on for a while but changing the tail rotor blade fixed it.

                              Having an riot with the nano though, it's amazing and I'm still grinning like a cheshire cat every time I fly it! Can't imagine what flying 3D must be like, not that I'm daft enough to try anything like that, well not yet anyway.

                              I'm really enjoying the responsiveness and power over the MSRX, still flying the book settings on the DX6i but might look to tweak them soon because I'm finding the expo a bit weird \ hard to get used to. Any tips in this respect?

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