Beasting the Ely.Q

[trillian]

I have decided to move the Beast X from my 450 to the Ely.Q Vision 50 Ultimate as it was just never quite right on the 450.

Modding the stock Ely.Q rotorhead is literally about a 20 minute job. The only things that have to be done are removing the flybar carrier unit, removing the mixer arms from the grips, refitting link balls to the grips and putting shorter balls on the inner swash.

In this case I am using some Robbe large ball/links that go on the Futura flybars because I had these lying around and they accomodate the bolt that was previously used for holding the mixer arms on and also they end up being just the right length.

I haven't flown it yet but have done the setup. I'm not getting a blue light at Menu J but I have exchanged messages with a guy on RR with the same modded head and he says it flies great despite not getting the blue light. Everything else in the setup seems fine. (I could move the links in one hole on the servo arms and most likely get the blue light at menu J but this messes with the cyclic geometry at high collective).

I'll report back when I get a chance to fly it.



--Just to add, one small detail is that the swash driver guides looked like they could possibly
wedge in an up position and bind against the underside of the links on the grips. This would
probably not ever happen because the head would always be spinning and keeping them
pulled straight but just in case I drilled a small hole through the ends on the guides and
have a bit of wire through the hole so that the guides cannot flip up that far.

[trillian]

Well today I flew the newly FBL Ely.Q and I am happy to report that it works brilliantly!

The only setting that is not the factory default (besides, of course, the specific setup stuff like servo frequency etc.)
is the tail gyro heading lock gain which I left in the setting I had from before, everything else is the factory settings,
I didn't touch the pots.

The only thing I have done so far is adjust the tail gyro gain in the TX. I have the cyclics at 15% expo in the TX
and control behaviour set to 'extreme' and it flies very very well and feels pretty much as I like it. For the first
time the Vision Ultimate flies pretty darn straight.

So I am very pleased.

[Si_B]

I didn't think you were supposed to run expo when usng one of the factory presets ??. I just changed mine to transmitter and running 20% expo. I started at 100% on the end points, and then just tweaked until I got the roll and flip rate I wanted.

[J-S-Q]

Yes, they do say you shouldn't use expo on any of the "preset" modes. I don't really see why it would be a problem though but they seem quite sure that it's a bad idea. I run mine on transmitter mode as well.

[squeaky pete]

sheryl, bring it down, ill give it a beating for ya just so u know it can be done lol

[Asid]

Nice one Sheryl

[trillian]

Yes, they do say you shouldn't use expo on any of the "preset" modes. I don't really see why it would be a problem though but they seem quite sure that it's a bad idea. I run mine on transmitter mode as well.

I don't see anything in the manual that says you shouldn't use expo on any of the presets, the ony thing I read was that in 'transmitter mode' there is no expo preset in the Beast so you can use expo in the TX.

I'm really not too concerned about everything the manual says to be honest :-) I get it where it feels right to me.

I don't really like the feeling of very much expo, I like to see a reaction when I move the sticks and with the way it is set
now I'm not feeling the effect of lots of expo. Keep in mind also that I did not get a blue light at menu J, so that may or may not
play a part in the control feel.

When I ran it on the 450 I used the transmitter mode so this time I thought I'd try one of the presets just to
do something different.

[Mr.Brown]

Im not aware of what settings your not supposed to touch on your transmiiter when running the beast. Xcould someone let me know plz

[J-S-Q]

I don't see anything in the manual that says you shouldn't use expo on any of the presets, the ony thing I read was that in 'transmitter mode' there is no expo preset in the Beast so you can use expo in the TX.

I'm really not too concerned about everything the manual says to be honest :-) I get it where it feels right to me.

Yes I quite agree. I don't think it says anything about it in the manual but one of the guys from Beast X has posted on Helifreak that they don't recommend using Expo with their presets.

Here's the sort of thing that they have said, taken from the FAQ's on their website:
"The presets in parameter B are nothing else than different preset dualrate/expo curves inside the MB. When using these it is recommended not to change the output signal in the TX as especially when using expo this will bend, compress or stretch the curves leading to very strange flight behavior (it just is not like adding 5% of expo as the curves between TX and Microbeast will multiply and not sum together!) If you like the feeling of course you can do this."

Like you say though, if it feels right then it is right.

[trillian]

Yes I quite agree. I don't think it says anything about it in the manual but one of the guys from Beast X has posted on Helifreak that they don't recommend using Expo with their presets.

Here's the sort of thing that they have said, taken from the FAQ's on their website:
"The presets in parameter B are nothing else than different preset dualrate/expo curves inside the MB. When using these it is recommended not to change the output signal in the TX as especially when using expo this will bend, compress or stretch the curves leading to very strange flight behavior (it just is not like adding 5% of expo as the curves between TX and Microbeast will multiply and not sum together!) If you like the feeling of course you can do this."

Like you say though, if it feels right then it is right.

Well, I see exactly the point on that because an expo'ed control output into an expo curve will compound the effect. But this is similarly
less true when the expo in the Beast X is very low, as it is when using the 'extreme' setting. So with the relatively mild 15% in the DX7
there is very little compounding effect.

I might try it set to transmitter and see what the difference is. They don't give any relative figures but simply say the extreme setting has
'almost none' and high throws.

I flew it again yesterday with a view to looking at anything that needed changing and quite honesty It feels pretty good and I found
myself getting used to the tail so ended up leaving it all exactly where it is. I did try a pair of Radix blades and they feel slighty more
stable perhaps but it was very windy so hard to judge. But being the curious type I will probably try setting it
on the 'transmitter' setting and see what the difference is.

[trillian]

Im not aware of what settings your not supposed to touch on your transmiiter when running the beast. Xcould someone let me know plz

The main thing is not to use any trim on the TX as the Beast will see that as a control input. Travel adjusts at 100, no subtrim, no revo mixes etc. TX set to single servo swash type.

[trillian]

Doh!

Today I was going to change the BeastX to the 'transmitter' setting in the behaviours menu and see what the difference is. So I went into
the parameter menu and discovered it was already on transmitter!

I had intended originally to start out with it on 'extreme' but I guess I either accidentally bumped it one more notch or just thought that
the solid blue light was the 'extreme' rather than the flashing blue.

In any case when I went in there it was on solid blue already.