700 FBL 3G, wicked

[JohnJ]

It's not for me tbh, i tried it on the 700 Electric, and forgetting the gear stripping problems, it had a very odd feel to it, and one which I'm not sure I liked or could get used to quickly. Needless to say it's now off and already gone to it's new owner and I'm back to the old fashioned flybar

I find my 700E so powerful and able to back flip almost within it's own body length so see little point in trying to improve it further when I can't push it to the limit as it is!

I also took on board the issues concerning the Gear Stripping problems and I really don't need any more of that hassle !!!!

John

[jamiem]

Me neither, hence its gone and i got a few good flights on it today

[Geek]

Well if you don't want a faster model with longer flight time, that auto's better
That's your choise.
I would love to try one before I buy one
it will not be long I can't stop thinking about getting it

[Tom Burgess]

Well if you don't want a faster model with longer flight time, that auto's better
That's your choise.
I would love to try one before I buy one

obviously talking from experience

[mark lane]

I really like the way the FBL flies and tracks but i can totally see Jamies point especially at his standard. If it feels wrong and not what your used too then its a no go. I would guess Bert Kammerer is of the same ilk, he's impressed with the system but its not for him.

As for the 700E on FBL.... i can also see how it could all be too much especially with 8 odd horse power

[moonmanflyer]

I like the system, but i still like all my flybar helis, and i can swap between them with no issues.
I think you would like it paul, expecially with those big moves you are so good at

[Tim Procter]

I like the system, but i still like all my flybar helis, and i can swap between them with no issues.

I think you will find when you have got a lot of flights in with the FBL your fly barred model will feel totally different James if you are flying at a high level.

Can honestly say my FBL heli is the only heli I fly now as it suits me down to the ground.

I have told many people this..... FBL system is like Marmite, You will either love it, or hate it with passion, There is no in-between.

Its obvious by the feedback that some people don't like the way it fly's so I can't blame them for choosing to return to their fly barred heli.

Glad you enjoyed flying yours.

PS: Don't be surprised if your Avant doesn't get used in the future months.

[simm0]

JAMES as you already know stefan been messing with a vbar and 3g,and stefan is amazed with the vbar but its the helicopter its attatched to i recon.we has been swopping between vbar/3g and the raptors very interesting
glad your having fun mate
cheers craig

[acwman]

I have told many people this..... FBL system is like Marmite, You will either love it, or hate it with passion, There is no in-between.

Have to say that myself, I'm still a little unsure about where the Align 3g fits into. I really don't love it.. nor do I hate it, so I guess i'm really the 'in-between'

I'm really quite used to vbar, and liking the way it flies; but the 3g unit just doesn't have the traits what I like in the vbar. no real locked in feeling in hovering or quick maneuvers, and only find the benefit in the 3g unit in large moves as loops, big fast circuits/hurricanes as it stays truer and on track than when it was flybarred.

but...I am also finding it more of a handful to do funnels now. I was able to do them a few feet off the ground pretty confidently when flybarred...and also when I had the gain higher on the 3g unit. With the gain higher though, it had bounces in other 3d moves. Now the gain has been turned down to eliminate the bounces (9 O'clock position) It seems that I need more input to keep it funnels, and for me it feels a lot more difficult, and doesn't seem to want to settle into them. May have to start playing with the gains again.. but it seems that with the pots.. adjustment is a fine line.

..anyway, it's on my 450 now, and I don't really like fettling with helis unless I have to. It's not bad enough for me to remove it, but it's good enough to leave it on and carry on flying with it.

JAMES as you already know stefan been messing with a vbar and 3g,and stefan is amazed with the vbar but its the helicopter its attatched to i recon.we has been swopping between vbar/3g and the raptors very interesting
glad your having fun mate
cheers craig

Craig.. would be interested in how stefan found the two units in the Raptors?

[Tim Procter]

but it seems that with the pots.. adjustment is a fine line.

Totally agree, People "I think" are making too bigger adjustments on the gain values taking it to the opposite extreme hence the difficulty setting up for some.

Also a major factor with the 700 size heli (and I know Rob Turnbull has said the same about his 600LE) is blades.

Choose the right blades for this unit.

Long and heavy or dedicated flybarless blades makes a world of difference.

3D blades are not recommend from what I have read and my own personal experience.

[GravityKills]

...With the gain higher though, it had bounces in other 3d moves. Now the gain has been turned down to eliminate the bounces (9 O'clock position) It seems that I need more input to keep it funnels, and for me it feels a lot more difficult, and doesn't seem to want to settle into them...

A possible solution is to shorten the arms on the swash servos (I don't own the Align unit, but know how it's done with the V-Bar).
It brings the servos closer to their optimal operation point by trading off more travel range against less torque. With better servo performance, the FBL controller can then act more aggressively without bounce (read: allows more gain).

If your FBL heli doesn't fly a straight line when you leave cyclic centered at high speed, it's an indication that the gain is too low. I suspect that's the case with your heli. If in doubt, crank up the gain and try again - some bounce during a test flight shouldn't matter in a smooth funnel.

That aside, IMO funnels do feel differently on a FBL heli. Don't ask me why, but you get used to it.

[moonmanflyer]

Glad you enjoyed flying yours.

PS: Don't be surprised if your Avant doesn't get used in the future months.

We shall see, but avant are bringing out a flybarless head too, and since all of the kit on the aurora is align anyway, a 3g system should fit on quite nicely

[acwman]

Long and heavy or dedicated flybarless blades makes a world of difference.

3D blades are not recommend from what I have read and my own personal experience.

..that is something I am going to try out.. Think a heavier blade may sort out a lot.. Hopefully get some in the next week or two.

[moonmanflyer]

Choose the right blades for this unit.

Long and heavy or dedicated flybarless blades makes a world of difference.

3D blades are not recommend from what I have read and my own personal experience.

Yep defo agree with this, on the standard 690d's had hell of a bounce, but am now running standard 710 radix blades, and are alot better

[Tim Procter]

..that is something I am going to try out.. Think a heavier blade may sort out a lot.. Hopefully get some in the next week or two.

Blades will make more difference than any adjustement on the gain values.

Trust me.