BeastX vs. Vbar

[Delarado]

Where did you see a "tail gyro" combo vikki?

The full size Vbar has a central unit which is where you plug in all the leads etc, then it has a separate sensor that plugs into the central unit too. This is the £270 one. You NEED both parts for it to do anything at all.

The mini Vbar doesnt have a separate sensor. Is a little bit cheaper too I think. Not sure what its like performance wise though, I only have full size. This one is just a single box though, and doesnt need anything else.

To my knowledge you cant get a vbar without a tail gyro....

[ROCKET RONNIE]

Ive always has beastx on my helis and no probs with them, BUT i now hav a full vbar on my 7hv and boy its great mini vbar is going on my 550 sooooon like today lol i found that the vbar feels more locked in if that helps, but like i said the beastx is great

[highlightshadow]

No Vikki, BeastX/VBar both are 3-axis and therefore include tail gyro by default...
You still need a decent tail servo to get the best out of any FBL system anyway....

Only difference between the vbars is mini - all in 1 unit vs full which has sensor separate and is about £30 more vs silverline for newer gyros in sensor better for nitro mainly.

But yeah... Full Vbar new is £260 + 2x Sat receivers + optional 'pro' upgrade for £30
BeastX is £130ish + receiver etc

[Paulice]

Vikki,
You've been looking at the full size V-bar that has a separate sensor block.
The mini is an all in one unit but only for electric helis.
Both run of the same software and fly as good as each other, But like i said Mini is for Electric only and Full is for both.

[jasoncook]

HI The Vbar seems to hold better on piro moves funels etc. but there is not much in it, I like the adjustability of the vbar and use the govner feature. I have had a few beast X models and have a 550 on a beast and love it . The 7200bx is hard to beat at £139 I had to enable the pro software on the Vbars to get the paddle sim which made them fly as i wanted.

[Planehazza]

All Vbars controll cyclics and tail. The full size Vbar has a separate unit that houses the sensors, but it's part of the package; you don't need to purchase it separatly.

I have had 2 BeastX and love the feel of the cyclics. I am selling mine to try a VBar to see what the fuss is about, but I bought mine used so got it cheaper than retail price. For £150 (or £95 if you buy mine ) the BeastX is great bang for buck. Perhaps not the best out there, but the best out there is £100 more.

[dani_r]

Vikki,
You've been looking at the full size V-bar that has a separate sensor block.
The mini is an all in one unit but only for electric helis.
Both run of the same software and fly as good as each other, But like i said Mini is for Electric only and Full is for both.

So for someone like myself who only flies electric the mini V-Bar would be just as good to use? I'm curious to know how they differ and what benefit having the sensor seperate for nitro makes?

Also, is it worth the hassle of trying to find a home for the sensor and main unit? Or just go with the mini version.

[Vikki]

Ahhhh, that explains it all. I was obviously confusing the separate sensor with a gyro. Thanks for the heads-up. Think I'll stick with the AR7200BX.

Only thing that bugs me is it works perfectly on my 500 but my 450 has a tail problem. I flip it and then flip back and suddenly the tail is 90 degrees from where it should be. Caused me a crash did that.

[Vikki]

Ah, I see what happened. I saw the VBar gyroscope for sale on its own and then saw the VBar Silverline Express pictured with one and put 2 and 2 together and got 5. Thanks, guys, all cleared up now.

[Delarado]

Vikki, your 450 problem could be a gain issue or it could just be because its a 450. I have tail issues on mine. I have to run quite a low amount of pitch to avoid tail blowout. I think its a mechanical problem with the 450 tails so im not sure Vbar will fix that!

[SaneAdam]

I have had Beastx on all my models since i started flying. Loved it. Then i got a Vbar..... to be honest, i feel very annoyed and frustrated that i did not take the plunge earlier. Now all my Beasts are going to make way for Vbars. It just feels connected, thats not something you can really explain until you try it. Just totally f ing amazing is what it is.

[Ollie West]

Thanks for all the replies guys .

Dave - I will take you up on your offer, I have never tried a large FBL heli before so it should be a good experience and if someone would be kind enough to let me have a quick go on their Vbar heli that would be great too.

From the discussions so far I get the impression that if I get a Vbar I will never want anything else. If I can get a second hand one for a decent price I will probably buy it, however the BeastX doesn't sound bad (especially yours at £95 Harry ).

Do you think using a Futaba S9254 on the tail will limit the tail performance? I know the servo is a bit out of date now.

Ollie.

[waveydavey]

The 9254 will be fine mate.

[Vikki]

I'm not thinking of a VBar for my 450. Thinking about something else for after Christmas. I was just dropping in my little 450 problem.

I might try the 'moving the ball out on the arm' solution and see what that does.

At 50-55 the tail wags ferociously when doing a turn. At 45-47 it behaves and I get tail wag only in FFF. Do a double flip and it jumps 90 degrees.

I've reduced the (forgot the setting but has to do with gain) to low so it's supposed to give me more gain control via tx. Didn't seem to do much. Seems a fine line between bad wag and blow out.

Tell you what - next time I'm out with him I'll make a better mental note of what's happening.

[Nick B]

So for someone like myself who only flies electric the mini V-Bar would be just as good to use? I'm curious to know how they differ and what benefit having the sensor seperate for nitro makes?

Also, is it worth the hassle of trying to find a home for the sensor and main unit? Or just go with the mini version.

Full size has a gov and having a seperate sensor can be moved about to find the best vibe free area.

I have a full size on my fusion as it fits better on the gyro tray and the main body is easy to get to.

The 2 helis you have will be fine with a mini.