Learning on a Flybarless

[bikerflier]

I was teaching someone the other day using a flybared heli and training undercarriage.
The heli tipped about, bumped around and dragged along as the learner struggled to lift off.

I thought what would happen to a flybarless heli under the same conditions.
I think it would have tipped over straight away.

Anyone tried a flybarless heli on training undercarriage.

What happens to beginners when there are no flybar helis to learn on?

[sacko]

The only issue will be the vibes from the training legs, just get some rigid ones.

I could leave mine on the deck at full headpseed for as long as I wanted, it doesnt cause an issue.

If flybarless was affordable at the time, I wouldnt have hesitated in having my first heli FBL.

[bikerflier]

That's interesting, but with all the frantic stick inputs of the beginner wouldn't the flybarless controller just get frantic as well.

When I put any input into my flybarless whilst on the ground it soon starts to try to tip.

It's the learners stick inputs that I see as the problem and there are plenty of inputs when they start.

The only issue will be the vibes from the training legs, just get some rigid ones.

I could leave mine on the deck at full headpseed for as long as I wanted, it doesnt cause an issue.

If flybarless was affordable at the time, I wouldnt have hesitated in having my first heli FBL.

[sacko]

..but you can alter that in the software.

I could put 50% expo on the Vbar, with really low agility.

If anything, it will be more controllable than an FB machine as it wont really be affected by the wind etc.

[callum]

Plus, Flybarless system's have become more Sensible and less prone to tipping.

[bikerflier]

Hmm, looks like I will have to have a try with my 450Pro on training legs, but having seen some of the beginners I still am very wary about the inputs when the heli gets light on the training legs but it's still bobbling all around in contact with the ground.
That will get my knees knocking, might just wait until I get a beginner with a flybarless and risk their machine.

[J-S-Q]

I can't see any reason why a flybarless heli is unsuitable for a beginner. When I take off with my FBL's, I literally don't touch the cyclic at all, just purely collective. Judging by these videos, tip overs are not really a problem with Beast X at least...

scared by flybarless takeoff ? - YouTube

BeastX on ground.wmv - YouTube

EDIT: not sure why the videos are showing up as links instead of being displayed on the page which is what usually happens when I post a Youtube link?

[bikerflier]

Thank you, but these are skilled pilots putting in smooth inputs on a smooth surface. Most of us fly on bumpy grass.
It just doesn't happen like that with beginners, the sticks and heli move very erratically and on training undercarriage the heli is often moving differently to the stick input.

Training heli was nearly over many times last week, training gear still on the floor, with a beginner on his first attempt. I just struggle to see a flybarless heli cope.
Cheers
Malcolm

I can't see any reason why a flybarless heli is unsuitable for a beginner. When I take off with my FBL's, I literally don't touch the cyclic at all, just purely collective. Judging by these videos, tip overs are not really a problem with Beast X at least...

scared by flybarless takeoff ? - YouTube

BeastX on ground.wmv - YouTube

EDIT: not sure why the videos are showing up as links instead of being displayed on the page which is what usually happens when I post a Youtube link?

[J-S-Q]

Thank you, but these are skilled pilots putting in smooth inputs on a smooth surface.

Yes, that's a fair comment.

[sunny_manku1985]

We can test it with my 550!lol. Gives me an excuse to come over!haha.

[bikerflier]

You don't need an excuse, just come.
I will be there Friday, only for a short while Saturday and not Sunday.
Wouldn't risk that nice machine, maybe one day I will try on the 450Pro but difficult to test when someone can fly already.

We can test it with my 550!lol. Gives me an excuse to come over!haha.

[sunny_manku1985]

I'll give you a ring Malcolm. See you soon buddy!