Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Spirit FBL Review.

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Spirit FBL Review.

    Alright all,
    A friend of mine has taken a punt on the new FBL unit from Spirit-Systems in the Czech Republic.
    Since he works away he's given me the oppo to test his new toy and suggested that I might review it, so here it is!

    This review is not supposed to be a substitute for reading the manual! It's simply intended to review my own impression of things.
    I may miss important steps and/or info, please RTFM!
    I'm in no way affiliated with Spirit and as stated above I don't even own the unit I'm reviewing. I have absolutely no bias whatsoever.
    I'm aiming this review mainly at the experienced FBL'r who has used and is familiar with the usual FBL suspects.
    I'm not going to go over all of the features, only the ones I've used or researched.

    I'm pushed for time so this will be brief and punctuated with spelling, grammar and.....err....punctuation mistakes!

    The unit itself seems very nicely made with a matte finished gunmetal looking case, though I can't in any way vouch for its internal construction.
    It comes with a USB programming cable and the usual pads and patch leads, the leads by the way look like the good quality German ones included in the Vbar (and probably other good FBL units)

    It can be mounted either horizontally or vertically but must be exactly perpendicular and in line with mast/fore aft. This is especially important for the rescue function to work correctly. Although there is only a single sat port, two can in fact be used by employing a Tarot/Beastx type drop down voltage cable.

    I'm using Spektrum but opted to review the Spirit using the RX that my friend will ultimately use in its final home (Goblin 570)
    We've chosen the test mule to be a Logo 500 since it's not so much of a "prize" to risk as the new Goblin if anything catastrophic were to happen! It's still an excellent heli though and great for the test.

    The Logo is decked out modestly as far as the servos go, Align DS610s on the cyclics and a 650 on the tail though it is using a Kontronik/Scorpion power combo, certainly powerful enough to give the Spirit some work to do.

    Please note: as with other FBL units, do not have any of the servos connected at this point, connect them after setting the pulse width and frequency in the wizard/interface. Also have a fresh, reset model memory in your TX with straight 0-100 throttle and pitch curve settings.

    After installing the unit, software and USB driver we're ready to do the setup. As of writing the unit MUST be powered on and initialised (one pitch pump, red light solid) before the software is opened, otherwise the unit will not connect! I believe the developer is working on this so that the order does not matter but that has not been implemented as yet.

    Once the unit connects you are presented with a panel like this:

    Click image for larger version

Name:	1home-connection.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	58.8 KB
ID:	1916603

    I've done the screen grabs from "demo" mode but tried (with limited time) to input sensible values.
    This screen allows connection to the unit and was already connected when it appeared during my "live" setup.
    At this point you can choose the COM port your USB adaptor is using (if it's not already pre-chosen for you) and see what version of the firmware is installed. The developer seems very proactive with firmware updates so worth checking before you setup.
    Click the wizard button and you get an intro panel like this:

    Click image for larger version

Name:	1wizard intro.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	64.9 KB
ID:	1916604

    Nothing to do here except read the notes.

    Clicking next gives the RX type selection panel:

    Click image for larger version

Name:	2RX Type.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	61.0 KB
ID:	1916605

    Choose your RX type and hit next(I chose PWM-Classic since I was using a full size Spekky RX with a sat attached to it)

    Click image for larger version

Name:	3RX type pinout.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	80.6 KB
ID:	1916606

    ...and you are presented with a vbar style wiring diagram for the RX type you selected.
    Pay close attention to the polarity and the signal only pins for ELE/PIT/AIL, if you plug power in there you could let the magic smoke out!!

    Wire up as stated but without the servos remember!

    Click next:

    Click image for larger version

Name:	4Connection test.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	67.1 KB
ID:	1916607

    This gives the "connection test" screen. Click connect then next:

    Click image for larger version

Name:	5Diagnostic panel.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	62.0 KB
ID:	1916608

    This gives a diagnostic panel similar to the Vbar, one difference though is that its not necessary to set reverse at this point, just do centres and endpoints and your done...next....


    Click image for larger version

Name:	6General settings.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	64.8 KB
ID:	1916609

    The General settings panel is designed to set general gain settings for the size and shape of the heli you are using as well as unit orientation and CCPM geometry, If your heli is not listed, just choose something broadly similar in size, settings can be refined later.

    Next.....

    Click image for larger version

Name:	7basic servo settings.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	58.7 KB
ID:	1916610

    Set the pulse width and maximum servo frequency for the cyclics and tail respectively, you can set up to 333mhz for the cyclics but I'm not sure that would be entirely necessary. I set the mules to 200mhz to reduce overheating and current draw, tail was set to 333mhz though. After clicking next you can connect your servos......

    Click image for larger version

Name:	8Servo and correction reversing.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	68.9 KB
ID:	1916611

    I think this panel should have been called something like "servo and correction/sense reversing" since it deals with both. At this point use the cyclic servo reverse drop down menu to choose an option that has all three cyclic servos moving in the same direction, then use the reverse function in the TX to get AIL EVE PIT COMMANDS all going the right way for your heli.
    After that check that the gyro SENSE for each axis is correct and use the tick boxes to reverse as necessary. Next...

    Click image for larger version

Name:	9Subtrim.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	64.2 KB
ID:	1916612

    The subtrim section is used to set the servo centre positions, again similar to other FBL units. The tickbox must be ticked to make the adjustments rather than simply entering the menu item, the sliders work well for this. this is the point at which the rest of the head and tail linkages should be 90'd. Next....

    Click image for larger version

Name:	10Travel limits.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	84.6 KB
ID:	1916613

    This panel allows setting of the maximum pitch range, it's a single value and does not allow for individual positive and negative maximums to be set, relying instead on the head geo being correct. You can of course always patch over it using the pitch settings in the radio if necessary.

    Tick the box for "cyclic ring" to set that function, wiggle the sticks to all possible extremities and reduce increase to max but without binding.

    The rudder endpoints are pretty obvious, just move the rudder stick one direction and use the slider to adjust to max movement without binding/stall, repeat for the other direction. The only slight thing here is that the panel does not show which slider does which direction but a little experimentation means that it's a non issue really.

    Next......

    Click image for larger version

Name:	11Geometry setting.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	54.1 KB
ID:	1916597

    This panel is used to set the cyclic control loop resolution I guess in much the same way as other FBL's do? Tick the box with a pitch gauge attached to a blade running parallel to the boom and use the up/down arrows to set to 6 degrees. Probably would have been more consistent to use a slider here but there may be reasons to use incremental units, ease of adjustment perhaps. Works well though.

    Next....

    Click image for larger version

Name:	12Piro compensation.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	62.5 KB
ID:	1916598

    Pirouette compensation is again much like other units, tick the box the swash will deflect in a given direction, rotate the bird in the yaw axis and check the direction of deflection does not change or rotate. if it does, tick the reverse box.
    If you are going to use the rescue feature of this unit it is CRITICAL that you get this right!! You could end up with confetti for a heli, please be careful....

    Next.....

    Click image for larger version

Name:	13Save settings.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	53.1 KB
ID:	1916599 Click image for larger version

Name:	14Save confirmation.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	58.1 KB
ID:	1916600

    The next two panels simply serve to save your settings to the unit permanently, pretty self explanatory...

    At this point the basic setup is complete, you should re-check all of your control directions and sense directions before you fly.

    The only other things I did after this was to set up the rescue function and increase the ELE AIL YAW rates using the panels below.

    Click image for larger version

Name:	16sensor.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	49.1 KB
ID:	1916601

    Changing the cyclic and rudder values at the bottom of the panel above allow faster rotational rates for the corresponding controls. Very straight forward.

    The rescue function requires very little but CAREFUL setting up. When enabled it uses the non heading hold side of the tail gyro channel to affect the rescue. What is not clear is that the negative value chosen should be the same or similar to the positive one for HH gyro rate.
    In effect setting ANY value below 0 (or 50% in gyro type menu) activates rescue mode but the actual value ALSO sets the tail gyro rate for rescue mode.
    Initially I set this value to -100 (0 in gyro type menu) and when I hit the rescue switch the heli shot off skyward with it's tail doing 90 degree wags!!! Simple once you know though.....

    Click image for larger version

Name:	15stabi.JPG
Views:	1
Size:	48.6 KB
ID:	1916602

    The function drop down provides 4 options:
    Disabled...obvious
    Normal...all rescues are to right way up
    Acro... rescues to either RWU or inverted, whichever is quicker
    Stabilised.... acts like the autoleveling of a quad, stays or returns to level if sticks are at centre.

    I set it up as Acro.
    The two lower controls affect how much control the pilot has during a rescue, I left those at default.

    The most important thing on the panel though is the "rescue collective pitch" slider. For Acro mode this must give full positive when the heli is RWU and full negative if it's inverted. The implications of getting this wrong are obvious! Please check and double check.


    Flight test.
    The flight test was an evening one! With dark clouds gathering behind me I was a bit pushed!
    The setup flight was uneventful barring the rescue tail gain issue mentioned above. One thing I noticed though was that previously I honestly didn't think I had any real need for a rescue system. I was only testing it because the Spirit has it. I can get out of just about anything these days as long as I can see where the bird has emerged from a manoeuvre. This, however is where a rescue system might really come in handy!
    I fly a lot in the evening and the only crashes or near misses I've had are where the heli is very low and I can't tell which way round it is. A bit of height gives the luxury of watching stick reactions to work out orientation but if the bird is a black baseball bat 10 feet off the ground and falling fast you have only a chance you'll be able to recover. I could see the rescue being a good thing for people who fly into the evening and when the sun is low.

    Anyhoo, I can say that on the stock settings the Spirit flys very well indeed. It has a cyclic "feel" somewhere near the vbar/brain and is generally very pleasant to fly. I didn't notice any "bobbling" as some call it and once dialled in the tail felt very nice, much like the vbar tail stop wise.

    There is a "flight style" slider under the general tab, the function of which will be obvious to most but I've not had a chance to explore its effects yet. Hopefully when I get my own Spirit (which I'll definitely do soon, it's currently sold out!) I'll have a chance to experiment and refine.......

    Oh, the rescue mode, I nearly forgot! It works, exactly as intended and without drama. I tried it numerous times and each time the wee Logo shot skywards instantly. I could see it being a godsend for learners, especially at it's price point. £146 delivered seems very good value for money for a unit with it's features and performance.
    If the developer remains committed to it, I can see it becoming a major player in the FBL market.
    (For reference I've owned and setup, Beast, Brain, GT5, Vbar, 3GX, ZYXs though noteably not Skookum or Spartan)

    Any questions, I'd be happy to answer if I can.
    Any suggestions/comments for the review I'd also welcome especially since it's the first time I've ever reviewed anything like this (and hurriedly!)

    Cheers
    D
    Last edited by maddog7; 23-08-2014, 02:19 PM.
    .......unless otherwise stated, all opinions are my own.

  • #2
    Placed my order 2 days ago, im really looking forward to trying it.

    Comment


    • #3
      Great review thanks.
      I have one here sitting on my desk waiting to go in one off my birds.
      I have 3 BD and HC3SX on all my birds and I am very happy with them. Dint really needed the Spirit but I had to get one to compare it with my other units and find out why I paid £400.00 for each of my BD's lol.
      I really hope BD is coming with something new soon and blow everything else away. If not, then is a steep downhill for them



      sigpic X 2











      Comment


      • #4
        It certainly looked good on the video Paul forwarded to me Dave... I look forward to seeing it in the flesh mate
        Thanks for sharing your experience with it.
        Lee
        sigpic
        www.raptoruas.co.uk
        www.lee.rcha-uk.com
        www.gensace.de

        Comment


        • #5
          I'm really keen to hear the views of someone who has flown the spirit as well as the BD so I can't wait to hear your verdict panosg. Dave (Maddog7) has flown most and I believe him when he says it flies as good as the high end FBL units. Bail out seems to work excellent on it from the video Dave showed me so it begs the question of price. It's 2.5 times cheaper than the other unit with the bail out function. Is that unit really worth 250 pounds more??

          Paul
          Goblin 380 - Vbar Control and Neo
          Goblin 570 - Spirit
          Logo 690SX V2 - Vbar Control and Neo
          T-rex 700LE.... the "Giraffe"! - Spirit
          T-rex 700E DFC Pro - Spirit

          Comment


          • #6
            IMO the Spirit flight characteristics just feel more connected than the BD. The cyclic feel is different and better IMO. Also the negative tendencies I was having with ELE bounce are not there with the Spirit in my 550. I am installing another one now in my Diabolo this weekend and was having a chronic problem with ELE bounce and porpoising. I am looking forward to see how it goes, hoping to try it tomorrow.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Scotvar View Post
              It's 2.5 times cheaper than the other unit with the bail out function. Is that unit really worth 250 pounds more??

              Paul
              I believe the difference may be in support/development - Captron GmbH also develops sensors themselves - I dont know how much impact this may have on a system that has been developed by a single/multiple users. I couldnt see any organisation backing the spirit but an individual selling it ...I had a brief look at it after is has been mentioned to me but I am happy with my BDs they do exactly what I want and need - no need to look for another unit. would I buy them today with the spirit being an option - not sure about it but what I know is there is surely more information to be found on the HC/BDs today than for the spirit ... surely price may have an impact and I did this with buying vbar clones - but only on my 450s where I couldnt see the point why I should spend that amount ... I know clones been working fine on larger machines and I have strong doubts that there is much of a difference, however even the little doubt made me go original on my larger machines going for support etc ... doesnt mean these being clones in any way just talking about cost in general here ... Spartan seems to be able to constantly drop the prices on their units which are said to be good as well - so it may indeed be possible today to create a "cheap" good unit ...

              speaking of costs - never seen that many kosmiks being put into machines as of lately where I really wonder is that necessary but you just gonna spend the money elsewhere ...
              Last edited by r4nd0m; 24-08-2014, 09:50 AM.
              Sev

              ---
              Thunder Tiger E700 BD3SX
              Trex 700E DFC HV BD3SX (Night Flyer)
              Trex 450L DFC BD3SX
              Trex 150 PRO DFC
              Blade Nano CP X
              Blade mCP X v2
              Blade 130X
              DJI Inspire 1
              DJI Phantom 2 iOSDmini
              EMAX Nighthawk 280 Pro FPV Racer
              EMAX 250 Pro V2 FPV Racer

              Futaba 18MZ
              Phoenix V5, AccuRC, neXt & RX2SIM

              MK Heli Club MKMAA

              Proud Owner of:

              Comment


              • #8
                Regarding support, the owner / developer of Spirit is very active and very helpful in the Spirit forum on Helifreak, which is a strong positive in my book. He's helped me get my 450 Pro flying very nicely (turns out the eBay blades were causing issues

                I haven't used (or even seen) a BD plus I'm not a great flyer (only sports - flips, loops, simple inverted), so can't really give a relevant comparison with BD - however the Spirit flies very nicely on my 450 Pro, very similar to another 450 Pro with a V-bar clone on it.

                I wanted something with Rescue on it as I am trying to crack Inverted flight, and Backwards is next on the list, so have re-vamped my "beater" with the Spirit for this purpose

                Comment


                • #9
                  The Spirit developer does seem very much on the ball.
                  Apparently the unit has been tested in the Czech rep for a year or so now with the developer keen not to put the unit out to a broader audience until it was flying perfectly.
                  There are quite a few vids on the net of Spirit equipped helis if anyone is interested.
                  I suppose the only unknown quantity now is that of hardware and or software reliability.
                  Its taken a year or so for V1 Brains to start falling out of the sky so we must not judge yet.
                  So far though, the Spirit is a very impressive unit. I'm really looking forward to experimenting further with it!
                  D
                  Last edited by maddog7; 25-08-2014, 10:53 AM.
                  .......unless otherwise stated, all opinions are my own.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I can't wait to see these. One of the lads at the field has got some on order but they told him they on back order even though they in stock as they having shipping issues?

                    If this unit is half as good as the BD then its a winner IMO.

                    I won't be replacing my BD's but would happily try one of these, just after they been out for a year and have any little issues or bugs sorted. Been there and not going back any time soon.
                    + 7 x Eddies finest EGS's


                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by smsodhi View Post
                      IMO the Spirit flight characteristics just feel more connected than the BD. The cyclic feel is different and better IMO. Also the negative tendencies I was having with ELE bounce are not there with the Spirit in my 550. I am installing another one now in my Diabolo this weekend and was having a chronic problem with ELE bounce and porpoising. I am looking forward to see how it goes, hoping to try it tomorrow.
                      Bloody Rain!!!!!

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Was hoping to maiden the Diabolo S this morning but no chance
                        + 7 x Eddies finest EGS's


                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jamin_00 View Post
                          I can't wait to see these. One of the lads at the field has got some on order but they told him they on back order even though they in stock as they having shipping issues?
                          It seems they have been getting more orders each day than they can physically process, so they show it as 'back order' so people understand it is not going to ship the same day.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            What's the next one going to be...? fbl unit that can hold your heli in a fixed position so you can do what you want with it...! or is there if you get my meaning.
                            Last edited by tourerjim; 25-08-2014, 06:00 PM.
                            Today's outlook is fine for flying.
                            • Spektrum DX18 gen2, Phoenix Sims, Align MR25XP.
                            • Blade Nano, mCP X, 130x, Blade 180, Mini T 450se
                            • Trex 250dfc Gpro, Trex 500EFL Gpro.
                            • Trex 600E Gpro DFC, Trex 600NSP now Gpro, DFC, Redline 56
                            • Flickr Through My Pictures.
                            • A helicopter is an aircraft that is lifted and propelled by one or more horizontal rotors because Wikipedia said so.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tourerjim View Post
                              What's the next one going to be...? fbl unit that can hold your heli in a fixed position so you can do what you want with it...! or is there if you get my meaning.
                              Genuinely a bit confused?
                              Erm, perhaps you could explain?

                              D
                              .......unless otherwise stated, all opinions are my own.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X