how close is Phoenix RC V3 to the real thing ?

[rob12770]

Today i got Phoenix RC V3 and i am now using my spektrum DX8 with it, i have not flown the real heli yet as its not setup right..

i was using easyfly 3 with the usb commander and it was fairly easy ( well i was getting the hang of it)
but i find if i use phoenix rc and use my model Titan E325. it is quite difficuilt, esspecially the roll, it seems very sensitive, and before i know it, im all over the place..

i also find it hard to turn and go forward in the direction i want..

so i guess my question is.. is phoenix rc much like flying the heli ?

hopefully you will figure out what im gibbering about lol
cheers Rob

[DaveMac]

I think you may of just realised how difficult heli flying can be to start with. Personally I could fly a bit before trying Phoenix and on the stock settings I found relatively realistic for basic flight, except the Phoenix model has too much power but that can be adjusted.

[soggybongo]

you can adjust the sim speed mate, set it at 100%, you can also set your servo speed, do a little research on your servo's specs and insert this into the settings, there is tons you can do with phoenix or instance, blade length, tail drive, heli weight, and thats the basics. you can also simulate the wind - x wind, turbulance, gust frequency, you can lso match your throttle/ pitch curves.

[James A]

Got to say I find it can be harder at times and the apparently easier at other times, although it really does depend on how you've set it up and how much you practice on it.

I have it setup so my DX8 switches function as on the real thing ie I have set the D/R and Expo as I have them for the real thing which reduces the sensitivity of the cyclic near to centre stick and reduces the maximum to tame things a little. If you want to do this remember to calibrate with the full range of motion enabled.

When you start to really use it don't forget to turn the weather on to something realistic, otherwise you don't get the sudden rises and falls you'll experience in real life. Even with large gust enabled I still think real life weather is harder, especially with my 450.

Final hint, get a practice routine and stick to it. It's all too easy to start flying all over the place and forget that you need to use it as a training aide, normally for the basics.

[Chris Boughton]

Wen i fly on phoenix it seems harder to hover on the spot than in real life, but slightly easier to do 3d on phoenix then in real life. It really depends on radio and sim setup, tbh

[jasoncook]

The smaller models on the sim are too twitchy pick the 700e completly stock, That flies very life like to a 550/600 fbl trex. I have a friend who uses a cheap tranny on his sim and that feels very pitchy around the hover point.

[rob12770]

very intersting guys, thanks a lot
i will do a bit more research and play with the settings.
Rob

[Scooby1doo1]

Well I can say from been abit of a noob my self, that flying on the sim to me is a lot Simpler. Now iam not show if this is because it's not going to cost hundreds in repairs.

I also find when things go wrong on the sim, I can get it back under control.

I always no what direction it's pointing in, but the real heli I get confused when out high and fare.

Now I have crashed twice since owning, and a total of £345.

Now I'm looking at helicommand to help level things off.


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[soggybongo]

Well I can say from been abit of a noob my self, that flying on the sim to me is a lot Simpler. Now iam not show if this is because it's not going to cost hundreds in repairs.

I also find when things go wrong on the sim, I can get it back under control.

I always no what direction it's pointing in, but the real heli I get confused when out high and fare.

Now I have crashed twice since owning, and a total of £345.

Now I'm looking at helicommand to help level things off.


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Thats because you know if you crash your in real time it will cost ya £££.

Take your real flight heli a little higher that way you will have more time to react, however it does have it's downside "the higher it is the harder it will fall"

[Scooby1doo1]

Thats because you know if you crash your in real time it will cost ya £££.

Take your real flight heli a little higher that way you will have more time to react, however it does have it's downside "the higher it is the harder it will fall"

Yes but like I said on the sim I don't lose what it witch way it's pointing, on the real thing I find it hard to Evan see it. This cause major problems, I'm going 50-70 feet out at the most.


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[panosg]

I can fly nose in and 8's on the sim but bugger me if I can do it with any of my heli's that easy..... I think is just in the mind, mind

Practice as much you can on the sim...... yep stick with the practicing and all that but have some good flying around time too, get your self in dificult situations and try to save the heli..... I tell you what........ I have saved my 450 twice in real flight, and I swear that is muscle memory from the sim that save it.

Anyway where are my pills.

[soggybongo]

Yes but like I said on the sim I don't lose what it witch way it's pointing, on the real thing I find it hard to Evan see it. This cause major problems, I'm going 50-70 feet out at the most.


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might be the way you have your heli/ tx setup in phoenix.

You will never get a perfect match mate but you can get it pretty close for our needs.
NASA spend billions ££££$$$$$$$ on sims but still manage to crash/ explode.

[RotorBlade]

I find the sim isn't really like the real thing, but I haven't spent ages setting it up mind - if I use a 90 size it is relatively similar to how my 50 feels, but it sure is a great tool to learn the repetitive muscle movements. Hardest part is - on the sim it's very difficult to see how high you are but for real you know.
There's no substitute for the real thing though - I get no rush from the pc.

[cjcj1949]

It is mainly in the mind. Trouble is we are stuck with our minds and there's not much we can do about it. The difference is really in the stress levels. There is much more stress or buzz in real life flying for lots of reasons. It's a well known effect in Psychology that more stress will improve our performance up to a point. Beyond that point we get worse as basically we are trying to work our brains harder than they are capable of.

At the moment I find normal flying easier in real life than on the sim, but any inverted flying is easier on the sim than in real life. A proffessional lesson will tell you what real life flying is like, but it is more difficult when there isn't someone there to take over.

I agree that some real flying is a good idea as soon as possible. Just getting the heli off the ground and back in one piece feels like a major achievement the first time you do it.

The only way to make sims more realistic, IMO, is to connect software controlled high voltage electrodes to sensitive parts of the anatomy, activated by a crash. Or possibly a usb compatible tens machine which could also be activated when you fly into yourself.