nose in flying

[jamiesawyer28041978]

Evening heli mad people;-)

Flying tonight up in Scotland , dry a wee bit of a breeze good realy.

Problem though I just cant get my head round this nose in malarkee . Its a mental block i know but im trying to stay on the safety side of things. ( dont want to prang it ). Soon as im nose in i have to come out of it because i go the wrong direction. Its doing my head in but I need to pass this thing and get it behind me. Any ideas other than Phinox sim. Thought about the training gear but not sure . Any one got any fantastic ideas much appretiated.

Regards and thanks Jamie

[Disc]

I did it by doing figure 8's...

On the cross over let it get more face on and flying towards you then turn out.

Then start slowing it right down as you turn it towards you.

If the heli rotor disk drops left put left input in on airlons

if the rotor disk drops right put right in

Its a case of getting it used to facing you instead of the normal tail in.

I can piro it round to face me and catch it... Land nose in as well...

Take off... Er not yet!

[jamiesawyer28041978]

How big should the figure of 8s be , should you be going 10-15 meters each side of you or should it be bigger and fly further away.If you hit trouble do you hit tail to get tail in as quik as poss.Self tought so it is difficult , no clubs up here.

[Disc]

Well depends do what your comfy with I wouldnt let it stupidly close and yes you hit trouble just flip the tail around and give a bit of power.

But to begin with just fly figure 8's and let it fly towards you then turn out as you would noramlly to contiune the 8 , just get used to seeing it nose on for a while 1st.

[jamiesawyer28041978]

Thanks for that help disc ill try it tomorrow and let you know if I need a new set of blades , got no smash yet but it will come Im sure . Had one a year back and thats when I ditched it all for a while. Other reasons to though.Will give it my best

[Steve]

I learnt it in the hover right in front of me at about 5 feet off the ground.

Started with tail-in, then edged around to side-on hovering from both sides. When I was happy with that, I started moving it around just a little bit more and trying to sustain the hover, again from both sides. I kept at it until I was fully nose-in, in small increments.

Get used to it in one position, and then take a little step further towards your goal. When you're comfortable wih it there, it's time to move around a wee bit more.

However, as with all new manouvers, you should ALWAYS have an escape route pre-planned in case things get a bit out of shape and you panic. Straight up is always a good one, with a bit of forward cyclic to get you moving through the air.

[jamiesawyer28041978]

I was side on tonight and am very cumfy with this till at full 90 deg to me then things go pair on me . I will just keep practicing and practicing its the only route to success .Helis well tuned in pitch and revves so the escape route will be UP . Hope

[Steve]

slowly gently catchy monkey

[nightstalker]

Get on that sim boyo, i had the same problem and one day i sat on my mates sim for 3 hours then it just clicked.
As you say its a mental block all you need to do is train that mind, just sit alone on the pc and keep at it even try the training part, its not that good on the phoenix but it will let u learn the controls.

[gazza]

I learned nose in on phoenix totally. Just do plenty of 5 minute nose in hovers till you are comfy with it, Thats the only way. Unless you wanna do it for real and spend serious money! Its mind/eye coordination & bottle. Phoenix sorted me out with this and also my inverted hovering. Just stick at it, It's the only way. Remember...If you cant do it on the sim then you cant do it for real!!! Simple as that.

[Disc]

I learned nose in on phoenix totally. Just do plenty of 5 minute nose in hovers till you are comfy with it, Thats the only way. Unless you wanna do it for real and spend serious money! Its mind/eye coordination & bottle. Phoenix sorted me out with this and also my inverted hovering. Just stick at it, It's the only way. Remember...If you cant do it on the sim then you cant do it for real!!! Simple as that.

Er no sim here I did out at the field....

its possible to do it without a sim just takes a bit more time

I'd cost me 1299 for the Intel Mac I'd want to run a sim (because I don't buy bottom spec machines). Thats 1299 plus a sim...

Think I'll stay to flying and not using a sim... 1299 theres few crashs in there!

[Leebert]

I started with lazy 8s, building up on the amount of nose in at the crossover. Then doing the full figure 8s and pausing in the middle to get used to it - whizzing the tail around if I felt uncomfortable.
When I was learning nose in, a tip given to me was, if you see the heli move in any direction then move the tx stick in the direction to "support" the heli. So, if the heli is drifting to your right, give a bit of right stick.

Another method is start off on the ground nose in and spool up to get it light on it's skids and get your brain used to which way to move the sticks. I thought No Way! to this the first time someone explained it to me but, once I had had a go I found it very useful.

Best of luck!

[Kwickkwack]

I have only hovered a couple of times nose in, I have been comfortable flying forward flight nose in, and i just took what i saw as the next step which was to slow the heli down until it stopped, then as it came to a halt, try to control it. I may be different to everyone, but I try to imagine myself in the cockpit, and use the information i can see from the heli and react to it. if the heli is moving to its left, I stick right and vice versa, (taken from the view in the cockpit) that way I am always thinkng the same, if that makes any sense to anyone.

[gazza]

Sorry fellas was drunk when I wrote that
Of course you can learn it for real, as disc says it just takes more time and care.
I however did learn it entirely on the sim. Never once did I attempt it in 'Real life' until I could comfortably hold a 5 minute nose in hover.
When I did put what I'd learned on the sim into practice, the old panic & brain fade did happen the first coupla times but just make sure you have an escape route..ie If the heli is nose in, climb away and a little backwards elevator just to get it away from you. Then swing the tail back around.
Regarding 'Thinking' which way to push the sticks...That wears off till you get to the point You're just doing it & You dont think anything...

[warboysastro]

Fly the tail (rather than the nose) and cyclic stick under the high blade... keep practicing - you'll get there.

Regards - Rob