Got Pheonix, but cant hover!!help!!a few questions...

[inferno]

First of all big thanx to Steve for setting me up with pheonix and a Tx to get practicing with!

Now although some people say pheonix is the only sim to use, imagine i could fly 100% confident no crashes on pheonix, would that mean youd be happy loaning me your raptor?! doubt it would, but how far off is it assuming conditions are calm?

Now, im really struggling to keep the Raptor sport in a steady hover, always ends up drifting and building up speed, how do i stop this happening?

Also i seem to be able to control electric helis better than the ic ones, in a hover, so would i be better off going leccy when im set on IC from the start?

[fatmantom]

take it slowly....imagine your actually flying the heli. and try and stay low.

everyone goes through this stage. it just takes practise and it will finally all slot into place
cheers,

[stumpy]

there is no quick way (apart from sim time) to learn, you have to put in the time and eventually you will fly it without thinking about it. you will learn automatic reactions and corrections IF you put the time in.

[Philimon]

Hovering a heli is like trying to balance a glass ball on a glass sheet. The ball is only going to stay still if the sheet is perfectly horizontal. If the ball starts to move, then you need to tilt the glass sheet in the opposite direction to stop the movement. As soon as the ball stops moving, you need to return the sheet back to the horizontal or the ball will start moving in the opposite direction.

The same thing applies to hovering a heli .When you've got some lateral movement, apply some opposite cyclic stick to stop the movement. As soon as the heli stops moving, level the rotor disk. Most beginners take some time to learn when to recognise that the movement has stopped.

Use the hover training feature on Phoenix, work on only forward & backward at a time. Using this technique and remembering the ball-on-glass-sheet idea, you'll soon pick it up. Remember: 1 cyclic action to stop the movement, 1 cyclic action to level the rotor disk immediately when the movement stops.

Make sense?

[richieclarkie]

Also i seem to be able to control electric helis better than the ic ones, in a hover, so would i be better off going leccy when im set on IC from the start?

In real life, generally, the bigger the heli, the easier it is to hover. Nitro or electric.

[inferno]

yes i understand what your saying... hard to see the movement on the sim, i guess it might be easyer on the grass.

well i think as soon as i stop crashing ill be buying myself a Raptor50, oh and when ive sold my car/right arm to pay for it :P

[richieclarkie]

Actually I think hovering is easier for real than the sim. HOWEVER when you start it's much scarier.

Also don't think about the money, you won't have any when you fly helis.

yes i understand what your saying... hard to see the movement on the sim, i guess it might be easyer on the grass.

well i think as soon as i stop crashing ill be buying myself a Raptor50, oh and when ive sold my car/right arm to pay for it :P

[g0pkh]

Actually I think hovering is easier for real than the sim.

I couldn't agree more. I had a long break (about 8 years or so, yes... once a heli flier, always a heli flier, there is no escape ).

I first started again by getting some sim time, and found it very difficult to acheive a decent stable hover, plus one of the biggest problems, is that it is too easy to get distracted, you have already tried autorotations, inverted flight .

If you get a real heli, you WILL be forced to learn the hover first.

Pete

[Ade_Law]

the main thing that everybody gets wrong is the move the stick too far, too quickly. just like driving down the motorway you barely move the wheel when changing lane you just squeeze the wheel slightly in the direction you want to go its more a pressure than a movement.

same thing with hoving the heli just a gentle pressure on the stick for about half a second.

you have phoenix. use the hover training start with one control and build up.

Ade

[Raptormadsteve]

First of all big thanx to Steve for setting me up with pheonix and a Tx to get practicing with!

Hi Tom no worries mate glad to help Just keep practising and stop trying to do aerobatics until you have mastered the hove once you can take off hover and then land you'll be on your way. As fmt says it will all fall in to place
Regards Steve

[petervdb]

I also had a break for about 11 years and when I started again this year with my new sceadu I refitted the training undercarriage. However it seems to be like riding a bike in that the instincts are still all there albeit a little rusty. Half a tank later and the training undercarriage was removed and I was back hovering.

I must say I am impressed at the quality of the models today compared to my Morely MXB.

I use Phoenix to practice nose in, and other trickier things. As with any sim the lack of depth perception sometimes makes things trickier on the sim than in real life.

Keep at it though. You will succeed if you keep practicing for real.