Puzzled

[honwal]

After what I feel was good progress Friday with blade200 ie: take off fly forward and land four times,
this morning I seemed to have taken a step backward,
all that seemed to happen was when blade went light it flew backwards then when tried to correct with stick forward no response, then after that as I increased throttle blade kept tipping forward with no right hand stick,

any ideas is it me or machine set up.

[Bluenose75]

Did you catch the safety switch? Took mine out today for the first time, wow I had a shock, it was a bit windy I was ok hovering but when I went a bit higher it started disappearing so I dropped the throttlle and brought it down, no damage just nerves shot! Had a few more lifts, in the end I came down in longish grass and the tail rotor disintegrated! Did notice a couple of times when spinning the main rotor up for a take of and the rear blade has not started spinning is that normal?

[honwal]

Did you catch the safety switch? Took mine out today for the first time, wow I had a shock, it was a bit windy I was ok hovering but when I went a bit higher it started disappearing so I dropped the throttlle and brought it down, no damage just nerves shot! Had a few more lifts, in the end I came down in longish grass and the tail rotor disintegrated! Did notice a couple of times when spinning the main rotor up for a take of and the rear blade has not started spinning is that normal?

I didn't catch safety switch, it seemed to have a mind of its own...LOL
as for rear rotor spinning mine does that as well, seems it kicks in after main rotor is quite high revs.
I think if the heli's were more robust they would be easier to get used to, I keep worrying about crashing.

My next plan of attack is go along to local indoor club, be cheaper in the long run me..thinks

[Grumpy]

The problem with making 'more robust' is that would mean more weight. To make them crash proof would mean they were so heavy that they wouldn't fly, or at least wouldnt fly worth a damn.

It's hard to say what the problem with the back and forward drifting/tipping.. most likely it's just more practice you need but hard to say without being there. Often all that's needed is a bit more commitment to get it in the air, the FBL controller cant really work properly until the heli is clear of the ground.

[honwal]

The problem with making 'more robust' is that would mean more weight. To make them crash proof would mean they were so heavy that they wouldn't fly, or at least wouldnt fly worth a damn.

It's hard to say what the problem with the back and forward drifting/tipping.. most likely it's just more practice you need but hard to say without being there. Often all that's needed is a bit more commitment to get it in the air, the FBL controller cant really work properly until the heli is clear of the ground.

hope to get a bit of advice when I go to indoor heli club.

[Peteski]

I think if the heli's were more robust they would be easier to get used to, I keep worrying about crashing.

I would suggest getting a micro to practice on indoors. Something like an mSRX or a micro quad like the nano QX. Since Christmas I've logged countless flights on my nQX with no damage at all. It's really building my confidence.
I presume you are using a sim too? Again big confidence builder.

When I look back over the last month, I realise I'm now in a much better position to begin flying a 200 SRX or even a larger CP heli for that matter. Proof will be in the pudding obviously, but my confidence has gone from zero to quietly confident I could handle one in basic flight.

[pgkevet]

The problem with making 'more robust' is that would mean more weight. To make them crash proof would mean they were so heavy that they wouldn't fly, or at least wouldnt fly worth a damn.

It's hard to say what the problem with the back and forward drifting/tipping.. most likely it's just more practice you need but hard to say without being there. Often all that's needed is a bit more commitment to get it in the air, the FBL controller cant really work properly until the heli is clear of the ground.

I don;t think that's true at all. It's a matter of design and application. I see no eason why a heli can;t b designed with shear pins to protect gears and break points to protect fuselage etc. the issue with doig that is the R&D to allow a wide flight envelope and the lack of spares sales.

[Mike656]

any ideas is it me or machine set up.

Just an idea, but check for trim on your tranny? Had one of my helis wanting to tip over, and somehow had got a bit of trim added.

[Peteski]

I don;t think that's true at all. It's a matter of design and application. I see no eason why a heli can;t b designed with shear pins to protect gears and break points to protect fuselage etc. the issue with doig that is the R&D to allow a wide flight envelope and the lack of spares sales.

Well the plastic gears cost next to nothing to replace and protect other more expensive parts by conveniently stripping teeth if overloaded in a crash. So not much point in shear pins on a heli like this? Would be a different story with all metal gearing though. It seems like a reasonable design compromise to me, but I haven't seen one close up yet. I spoke to the shop guy about their reliability (after reading a few internet tales of their fragility) and he reckoned they were generally okay if not pushed too hard with advanced flying. It's supposed to be a trainer for beginner/intermediate rc pilots really, not something to push the limits with. All assuming you don't get one with a duff tail motor etc. which is more a QC issue.

[pgkevet]

I was actually thinking about heis generally rather then necessarily beginner ones. And whilst your gears might be cheap they get more expensive - and sometimes more nuisance to change on the bgger models. Accessing from the side to drift out one pin and refit... then ther's undercarts...gorilla skids on 450/500 are virually indestructible.. so not supplied with the kit. The gobblers have break free tails.. but not other models. Blades are one of the biggest expenses. The scott grey 710's on my gasser must be pshing £150 now...althugh ;m not sure how you could make those safely break free and not fly through a headless crowd.

[honwal]

I would suggest getting a micro to practice on indoors. Something like an mSRX or a micro quad like the nano QX. Since Christmas I've logged countless flights on my nQX with no damage at all. It's really building my confidence.
I presume you are using a sim too? Again big confidence builder.

When I look back over the last month, I realise I'm now in a much better position to begin flying a 200 SRX or even a larger CP heli for that matter. Proof will be in the pudding obviously, but my confidence has gone from zero to quietly confident I could handle one in basic flight.

Yes I am looking for indoor micro, the thing I have found with blade is I can't seem to get it to hover like you see in many YT vids,

Just an idea, but check for trim on your tranny? Had one of my helis wanting to tip over, and somehow had got a bit of trim added.

Thanks mike I have all the trims on centre, which was advised,

[p4ddy]

I'm not sure how you could make those safely break free and not fly through a headless crowd.

Wouldn't matter if they are already 'headless'