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  • 1 month in and still here! A few thoughts on starting out

    First of all many thanks to everyone for all the valuable help and advice. This is a great forum with lots of enthusiastic support for new flyers like me.

    So I thought I'd report on my first month in the hobby and give a bit of feedback on the kit I now have. It's worth noting that I'm restricted to indoor house flying at the moment mainly due to lack of time to get out to the field and starting off in December, so that did have a large bearing on my initial choice of weapons. So anyway here are my thoughts on my startup kit:-

    Blade mCX2 (co-axial 4ch heli)
    I deliberated for a long time between the mCX2 and the fixed pitch mSRX and eventually went for the conservative option as I was starting from nothing. A couple of people warned me that I would outgrow the mCX2 very quickly and I can now see why. It really is very, very stable and can be flown confidently from day 1, even in a tight space. In an average lounge, it is very easy to fly loops, 8s etc without any fear of crashing. It's a sedate flyer for sure and ultimately not enough on its own for anyone intending to progress onto CP. Having said that it's a really good looking little heli and still fun to fly indoors alongside other models. The one thing I've learnt most from flying it is rudder control and orientation. Even though forward flight is pretty slow and plodding, it does piro pretty quick and goes where you point it pretty accurately. It's also good for practicing spot landings with a lightweight micro. Would I buy one again? Yes I think so, although I would certainly not consider it alone for serious indoor training.

    Blade Nano QX (quad)
    When I first asked for advice here, someone suggested this little quad as an alternative to a micro heli. I'm not interested in quads at all, but thought it would make a good little indoor trainer without any of the hassles of more advanced micro helis. So I bought one at the same time as the mCX2 and have been flying them together ever since. In short the nQX turned out to be a brilliant buy. It's fast, agile, virtually unbreakable, furniture friendly, maintenance free, easy to setup, etc, etc. The only negative thing about it is that it is not actually a heli! So I can't really relate to it visually, it just looks like a wasp in its yellow/black shell. But everything else about it is fantastic. The safe mode makes it fairly easy to fly on day 1, although takes a week or so to master and can be flown pretty darn quick in this mode, even in a tight space. The self-stabilising is nothing like that of a co-axial heli. It's much more subtle and still allows you to develop proper flying skills. In agility mode there is no stabilisation at all and it responds to cyclic inputs just like a full blown CP heli and it is super responsive. It becomes a bit of a handful in a small room, much like what I've seen of expert level helis like the Nano CPX. But it is a great mode for developing quick reactions and for advanced outdoor flying. If I could only have one indoor micro to learn with, this would be the one for sure. Your expensive TV and furniture will thank you too!

    Spektrum DX8 Radio
    I bought the mCX2 in RTF form with the cheapo radio included to get me started. A few days later I invested in the DX8 mainly to use with the sim and for long term use with more advanced helis, but I very quickly realised that this is the way to go right from the start. The cheap radio that came with the mCX2 was never used again and in hindsight I should have saved £11 on the BNF version! Then again maybe it was well worth the £11 just to experience the difference a decent programmable radio makes. So I now use the DX8 for all my flying and sim. It was a toss up between the DX8 and the latest DX6 (not to be confused with the old DX6 and DX6i). I chose the DX8 for longevity and because it was on sale at the time. It's been faultless so far and I expect I won't need another radio for a very long time. It's also given me a good start to the world of radio programming.

    neXt sim
    I'm running a Mac so there wasn't a lot of choice on the sim front (basically neXt or Heli-X) but neXt is well reviewed, so I went with the flow and it has been a great learning aid for me. Works well with the DX8 too. Again I'm glad I didn't bother with the cheap dummy radios some people use with these sims. You can't beat the real thing and it gives me consistency using the same radio for everything. I think a sim is a must-have for anyone looking to progress onto CP helis in the future. I can see it's going to save literally hundreds of pounds in crash damage.

    So what have I learnt in a month and probably something like 250 flights in the house and a good few hours of sim time?
    Well for a start I can fly the mCX2 in my sleep, although I'm still finding it useful and most importantly fun to fly. Probably not learning much from it now though ultimately.
    The nQX is still very much a work in progress in agility mode, but I rarely crash it now even in a small room. I can hover in any orientation and fly slow fairly controlled loops around the room. In stability mode I can fly it fast and aggressively without losing control. I've also given it a few successful missions in the garden where it's probably at its best providing there is no wind.
    I found the sim pretty frustrating at first. Pretty much every flight ended eating dirt and I just couldn't get my head around the controls. I'd lose orientation after the first couple of turns and just end up either in the ground or watching a distant speck 2 miles away. I certainly wouldn't want to be learning like this on a real heli! But after a month of plugging away at it, plus of course flying the micros, it really has started coming together nicely. I can now hover in all orientations, perform slow piros and fly controlled loops without losing orientation and most importantly not crashing at all, even with the silly little micro models. I'm actually finding the larger models very easy to fly now (not 3D stuff obviously) and need to start adding in some wind/turbulence to liven it up a bit.
    Crash damage zero and both my micros are still flying perfectly with no maintenance at all. Certainly had my money's worth already.

    In hindsight, would I have done anything differently?
    Not really, which says a lot for the advice I received on this forum before starting out. Maybe I could have saved a tenner by getting the BNF version of the mCX2, but at least I have a spare radio for the kids to play with. If I was on a tighter budget I could have got a cheaper radio like the DX6i, which would have been fine for a while and I think the nQX plus sim alone would have got me to the exact same point on the learning curve. But for me at least, I would make exactly the same choices again and have no regrets at all.

    Next steps? I'm still thinking of getting a 200 SRX for initial outdoor training in spring, before finally stepping up to the plate with a larger CP heli. I also have a scale Red Bull 130X sitting on my desk which I bought in the pre-Christmas sales. My long term aim was always scale flying, so I'm really excited about getting to fly this one, but I don't want to smash it up just yet! I'll probably buy an advanced micro CP heli at some point too, probably the Nano CPX or maybe even the mCPX BL for the garden. I know I'll get most use out of micros while I'm house bound.

    Hope all you fellow beginners are enjoying this new hobby as much as I am. Enjoy!

    Pete
    SAB Goblin 380 KSE - latest love thang
    Lynx OXY 3 - my mini flagship!
    Blade 180 CFX - field beater for new moves
    Blade Red Bull BO-105 CB 130 X - scale fun flying at the field when the tail isn't broken, which is not often.
    Blade mCPX - sold

    Blade Nano QX - house fly of choice
    Blade mCX2 - retired but will be back when the kids get a bit bigger

    Spektrum DX8 - for everything
    ne
    Xt sim - the sim I started out with
    Heli-X sim - my new favourite sim!

  • #2
    What a cracking post.

    Glad you're enjoying it.
    Current fleet: Goblin Thunder Sport (700), Trex 700L, Logo 600, Specter 700, Henseleit TDR, V-Baaa control.
    Next heli: I have pretty much everything I want. Maybe I'll upgrade some electronics or something.

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    • #3
      Great Post I'm 2 weeks in and hooked, I have the Nano QX and a 200SXR which I tried in the garden today! this Forum is great with some really helpful folk, I have been invited to a club and think I will take the plunge so I can chew the fat face to face. I'm thinking small CP to play in the house whilst mastering the 200.
      Spektrum Dx6i
      Blade Mcpx BL
      Blade 200 SRX
      Blane Nano QX

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      • #4
        Great post Pete, thanks for taking the time to write it. I'm a year in, not getting nearly as much practice as I should and hate the sim with a passion. My entry machine was a mSRx quickly followed by a nano. Next came the 130x which wasn't a success, a blade of grass broke the C (or was it the D) gear and I seemed to spend more time fixing it than flying it. Very frustrating but that said I 'landed' 90 degrees adrift on a concrete floor the other night without any damage at all! How does that work? Current machine of choice is the 200 SRX, great fun and a brilliant learner helicopter if a little under powered. The joy of this hobby is you can have fun at whatever level you are currently at and there is always a boundary in front of you at which you can push.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bluenose75 View Post
          Great Post I'm 2 weeks in and hooked, I have the Nano QX and a 200SXR which I tried in the garden today! this Forum is great with some really helpful folk, I have been invited to a club and think I will take the plunge so I can chew the fat face to face. I'm thinking small CP to play in the house whilst mastering the 200.
          Joining a club is the way to go for sure. Unfortunately I don't have time for that this year and all my weekends are spoken for, but I do aim to join a club in the next year or two. In the meantime I have found a great rc hobby shop for support (RC Heliguru in MK). Had some sound advice there too.
          SAB Goblin 380 KSE - latest love thang
          Lynx OXY 3 - my mini flagship!
          Blade 180 CFX - field beater for new moves
          Blade Red Bull BO-105 CB 130 X - scale fun flying at the field when the tail isn't broken, which is not often.
          Blade mCPX - sold

          Blade Nano QX - house fly of choice
          Blade mCX2 - retired but will be back when the kids get a bit bigger

          Spektrum DX8 - for everything
          ne
          Xt sim - the sim I started out with
          Heli-X sim - my new favourite sim!

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          • #6
            Great post! I just added a link to this from the guide I've just written.
            Helis: Oxy 2 FE / Oxy 2 Sport / Protos 380 / Oxy 4 Max / Gaui X3 380mm
            Electronics:
            Spartan VX1e / Spartan VX1n / Spartan VX1p / MSH Brain2 mini / Jeti DS-14
            Sims: Realflight / AccuRC
            / Phoenix RC (Wireless) | AccuRC (Wireless) | Realflight (Wireless)

            Team rep for Lynx/Oxy, Founder of NightWave Systems, #450guy

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            • #7
              Thanks for keeping us uptodate ,that was a great read , my memories of the 130's are very mixed , great tool to push my flying forward but a nightmare to keep flying , it would be great if you keep us update With your progress , Kd
              Goblin , 380 Carbon
              Oxy 4 - 360
              Oxy 4 - 325
              Oxy 3 - 250 , 3s
              Oxy 3 - 250 , 4s
              Oxy 3 - 280 , 3s
              Oxy 2 - 190
              Oxy 2 - 210
              XK K110. X 4 (best micro I’ve ever owned)
              Spektrum DX9
              Revolectrix PL6 & PL8

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              • #8
                Cheers guys. Certainly will keep you updated. It's a lot of fun and I'm definitely in it for the long haul. I've always had an interest in RC helis, but found them too intimidating to get involved 20 years ago. I dabbled a bit with RC planes and cars in my teens and 20's, but helis always looked the best!
                SAB Goblin 380 KSE - latest love thang
                Lynx OXY 3 - my mini flagship!
                Blade 180 CFX - field beater for new moves
                Blade Red Bull BO-105 CB 130 X - scale fun flying at the field when the tail isn't broken, which is not often.
                Blade mCPX - sold

                Blade Nano QX - house fly of choice
                Blade mCX2 - retired but will be back when the kids get a bit bigger

                Spektrum DX8 - for everything
                ne
                Xt sim - the sim I started out with
                Heli-X sim - my new favourite sim!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by myxiplx View Post
                  Great post! I just added a link to this from the guide I've just written.
                  Cool, looking forward to reading you guide. Also can't say thanks enough for recommending the nQX in my first thread!
                  SAB Goblin 380 KSE - latest love thang
                  Lynx OXY 3 - my mini flagship!
                  Blade 180 CFX - field beater for new moves
                  Blade Red Bull BO-105 CB 130 X - scale fun flying at the field when the tail isn't broken, which is not often.
                  Blade mCPX - sold

                  Blade Nano QX - house fly of choice
                  Blade mCX2 - retired but will be back when the kids get a bit bigger

                  Spektrum DX8 - for everything
                  ne
                  Xt sim - the sim I started out with
                  Heli-X sim - my new favourite sim!

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                  • #10
                    For those interested, I thought I'd give you an update on my progress a few months further down the line.

                    I'm still restricted mainly to flying in the house and garden, but have managed to get down to a proper field maybe half a dozen times and still plugging away on the sim nearly every day. I've also added an mCPX to my fleet and started flying the Red Bull 130X I had sitting on my desk from Christmas. Considering the time constraints my flying seems to be coming on really well and I'm not crashing in the process, which has been a pleasant surprise! I know some people say crashing is inevitable as you progress, but I'm not convinced it has to be that way. My approach has been to push my limits on the sim, but only fly within my comfort zone for real. So far this seems to be working well and I can now fly pretty fast 2D in any direction and orientation without making mistakes or having to consciously think about the controls. On the sim I'm pretty comfortable with flips, rolls, inverted flight and basic 3D, but not tried it for real yet.

                    My indoor trainer of choice is still the nQX quad as it's so quick and nimble in the house, yet totally harmless to furniture and children. I now fly it all the time in agility mode (no self-levelling), which feels great. The self-levelling mode was invaluable in the beginning and really gave me the confidence to chuck it around while I was learning the sticks. When I first started using agility mode I had to slow things right down again, but over the next month or two I gradually built up my speed again and can now chuck it around the house even harder than ever in agility mode. It just flies like a perfectly trimmed cp heli on the sim. Honestly this little quad has been the best indoor cp heli trainer of the lot. It's pretty awesome out in the garden too, providing it's a calm day. I haven't been keeping count, but I must have put 500+ packs through this by now and it hasn't missed a beat with zero maintenance.

                    I'm also getting on pretty well with my mCPX after a few minor setup niggles out of the box. I do fly it in the house regularly, although I find it pretty restrictive compared to the nQX. But outside in the garden, or better still at the field, it really shines and handles the wind much better than the nQX. This is now my primary outdoor trainer and I really enjoy buzzing it around the field. I can see myself adding the BL version to my fleet before long.

                    Finally I've been flying my scale Red Bull 130X more often in the last month, now on 20 flights at the field without mishap. I really enjoy flying this model and I'm surprised how "big" it flies compared to the mCPX. The 4 blade head sounds great at full chat and the scale body gives it far more presence than a standard 130X. Obviously it weighs it down too, but it still flies great and is very stable. It's by far my favourite heli to fly at this stage, I love it!

                    What next? Well, my original plan of buying a Blade 200 SRX for outdoor training has now gone out of the window as I'm already confident with the mCPX and 130X, so I don't think the 200 SRX would teach me anything at this stage. So I'm set on moving up to a high quality 300 and/or 450 size cp heli that I can fly at the local field. I'm not going any bigger than 450 for now as I usually fly alone with my 2 year old daughter in tow and simply don't have time to join a club.

                    This is a great hobby to get into and I'm now really looking forward to my first heli build! Thanks again to everyone on this forum for their help and support, it's been an invaluable resource for me.
                    Last edited by Peteski; 16-05-2015, 01:41 AM.
                    SAB Goblin 380 KSE - latest love thang
                    Lynx OXY 3 - my mini flagship!
                    Blade 180 CFX - field beater for new moves
                    Blade Red Bull BO-105 CB 130 X - scale fun flying at the field when the tail isn't broken, which is not often.
                    Blade mCPX - sold

                    Blade Nano QX - house fly of choice
                    Blade mCX2 - retired but will be back when the kids get a bit bigger

                    Spektrum DX8 - for everything
                    ne
                    Xt sim - the sim I started out with
                    Heli-X sim - my new favourite sim!

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                    • #11
                      I wouldn't bother with a mCPX BL if I were you, they're a great heli but you already have enough small ones to learn on. A Trex 250 might be an interesting budget choice, but if you can afford it a 360mm class heli would be awesome.

                      They're a totally different experience to fly, and if you think your 130X is stable your mind is going to be blown away by a large model. As you know they're expensive to crash, but your skills are easily at the point where you can fly it and avoid the dirt. The biggest caution I would say is that you need to look at the total costs of larger models, you will need a better charger and power supply, and batteries start to become a sizeable investment too.

                      It's worth taking your time at this stage so you don't need to buy twice. A good 500W+ charger will last you for years, but it's going to cost you as much as a second hand 450! If you can afford to take your time, keep an eye on the for sale forums here, every so often you see a PowerLab or iCharger come up for sale and they're well worth snapping up. I managed to find a PowerLab 8 a few months ago and it's just superb, 1300W of power is more than enough for me, and I'm able to charge six packs for my Gaui X3 in about 20 minutes flat
                      Helis: Oxy 2 FE / Oxy 2 Sport / Protos 380 / Oxy 4 Max / Gaui X3 380mm
                      Electronics:
                      Spartan VX1e / Spartan VX1n / Spartan VX1p / MSH Brain2 mini / Jeti DS-14
                      Sims: Realflight / AccuRC
                      / Phoenix RC (Wireless) | AccuRC (Wireless) | Realflight (Wireless)

                      Team rep for Lynx/Oxy, Founder of NightWave Systems, #450guy

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                      • #12
                        Go with a 450 if I were you - either an "old style" 325mm 450 or one of the newer 360mm 450's (eg. Gaui X3, Forza 450EX, Align 450L, Blade 360cfx). In a local park with a 2-year old around you really don't want anything larger than that. To be honest, I'd be a bit careful even at that - 2 year olds can be very unpredictable which is the last thing you want when you're concentrating on flying a 450 sized CP heli.

                        I know it's not much bigger, but in that scenario, the Blade 180CFX might be a good compromise too - I personally rate it in preference to a 250 sized heli.
                        Tom
                        sigpic Synergy E7SE - Kontronic Helijive 120+ ESC, vBar Neo
                        SAB Goblin 630 Competition
                        - Castle Edge 120HV, vBar Neo
                        Blade 700X - Castle Edge 160HV ESC, Mini vBar
                        Logo 550SXv2 - Castle 130LV ESC, vBar Neo
                        .... and a Gaui X3
                        Spektrum DX8 ; Mikado VBC ; RealFlight 7 & neXt sims
                        ... and two EGS'



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                        • #13
                          +1 for skipping the 250. I didn't really get on with mine that well. Pain to setup and then even more of a pain to repair. And very very fast/powerful as you need a high head speed due to the disk loading (heavy for the size of blades) This makes it a bit crazy. 360mm is a great step which I'm glad I made /have
                          Spektrum IX12
                          Blade Inductrix
                          T-Rex 150X
                          T-Rex 450L, Heli Option Turn-buckles, carbon push rod, 6s, Stock Electrics, Giant Power Lipos
                          Goblin 380 Kyle Stacy, 360mm, 6s, AR7210BX, Align 430m/525m @ 6.0v, Castle Talon 90, Scorpion 3020-1000, Optipower 2700 30c
                          Goblin 570 Carbon Red, Stretched to 600mm, Blackline 3D Blades, 12s, BD 3SX, Align 800/850 HV servos @ 8.0v Castle 120 Phoenix Edge HV, Scorpion, Thunderpower G8s
                          T-Rex 800e Pro DFC, Hobbywing 200A, 760x Head, BeastX

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by myxiplx View Post
                            I wouldn't bother with a mCPX BL if I were you, they're a great heli but you already have enough small ones to learn on. A Trex 250 might be an interesting budget choice, but if you can afford it a 360mm class heli would be awesome.
                            Good point, the standard mCPX is just fine for me at the moment anyway. Maybe when I've worn it out I might eventually upgrade to the BL version if I feel the need for a more powerful micro. I'm actually torn now between a 360 class or a smaller 300 class heli and have researched them to death over the last month. Last week I was all set on buying a Gaui X3, but then I had second thoughts on the size. I've also been looking very closely at the Lynx Oxy 3 and when you see photos of it next to the X3 the blades look tiny in comparison. By all accounts the Oxy 3 is super stable for its class, so might be a better choice for my circumstances. I suppose the Oxy 3 is a money no object alternative to a Trex 250 or Blade 300 CFX. The fields I can fly in are plenty big enough for a larger heli but there are lots of dog walkers around and their dogs are rarely on a lead. In fact pretty much everyone I encounter has a free range dog in tow! I've already had to land my micros twice in the last week due to dogs running at them, so that's really made me think hard about how big I can really go.


                            Originally posted by myxiplx View Post
                            biggest caution I would say is that you need to look at the total costs of larger models, you will need a better charger and power supply, and batteries start to become a sizeable investment too.
                            As I know I will be sticking with smaller models for the next couple of years I decided to buy a modest 250W charger (iCharger 106B) and matching P350W psu which I think should do the job for me up to 6S batteries in a 360 size heli. I worked out that it could charge 4 of them at 2C which is fine for me. In any case it will always come in handy for charging the shed load of micro batteries I seem to have acquired. I did think about getting a larger capacity charger up front, but decided it would be overkill for at least a couple of years and so I'd rather put the money into more helis for now.
                            SAB Goblin 380 KSE - latest love thang
                            Lynx OXY 3 - my mini flagship!
                            Blade 180 CFX - field beater for new moves
                            Blade Red Bull BO-105 CB 130 X - scale fun flying at the field when the tail isn't broken, which is not often.
                            Blade mCPX - sold

                            Blade Nano QX - house fly of choice
                            Blade mCX2 - retired but will be back when the kids get a bit bigger

                            Spektrum DX8 - for everything
                            ne
                            Xt sim - the sim I started out with
                            Heli-X sim - my new favourite sim!

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                            • #15
                              Sounds like you're well set with the charger. On the heli size, dogs are definitely a concern. One thing I do love my 250 for is being able to fly it in parks with no concerns. Yes you have to keep an eye out for dogs, but it's got so little momentum to the blades, and crashes so well that I wouldn't hesitate to put it in the ground to stop the blades if I thought a dog or kid was heading for it. I mean I've crashed this so hard one of the blades buried half its length in the ground and it cost me under a fiver to fix...

                              Having said that, bigger helicopters do fly better and the Oxy3 is getting some really, really good feedback in the forums, it seems to be well thought out, and well manufactured too. It's not a cheap option though, while it's small it's very much a high quality item with a price to match, and while it's getting decent crash reports it's not one I'd want to crash often.

                              I do love the way my X3 flies, and I suspect the Oxy3 would handle pretty close, but then I don't fly my X3 that in any public parks. I've been lucky and found a football pitch that belongs to the local social club I'm a member of, so it's a private field, fenced on all sides, with "no dogs" signs all around. That's the smallest place I've found that I'm happy to fly the X3, and if it wasn't for that I'd be heading up to my flying club site each time I wanted to fly something bigger than the 250.

                              There are a few things to weigh up as you move up in size, you have to think of cost, flying locations, safety, crash costs, as well as size of the helicopter and how well it's going to fly. And as you're finding there are a lot of choices out there :-D
                              Helis: Oxy 2 FE / Oxy 2 Sport / Protos 380 / Oxy 4 Max / Gaui X3 380mm
                              Electronics:
                              Spartan VX1e / Spartan VX1n / Spartan VX1p / MSH Brain2 mini / Jeti DS-14
                              Sims: Realflight / AccuRC
                              / Phoenix RC (Wireless) | AccuRC (Wireless) | Realflight (Wireless)

                              Team rep for Lynx/Oxy, Founder of NightWave Systems, #450guy

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