Try upping the gain for rate mode.( if you have two values one for Hh and one for rate)
Also it depends on your head speed, The rapppy 30 has a non driven tail. If your head speed is low maybe you are losing tail authority ?

Why not land in HH?

Simon

How does this look

Pitch cure -4,5.5,9 - 18,38,55,75,94

Throttle curve

20,40,50,60,100

this will be better transitioning on throttle to what i have at the moment no as bigger steps (smoother)

Cheers

So with those curves you're hovering just over 50% throttle at 6 deg. As you're coming in if you have to 'catch' it by increaseing the pitch suddenly you could be adding alot of throttle in one go and the extra torque is just to much for the gyro to cope with. You'll need to experiment but I would try and get your throttle curve a little flatter in the middle at the hovering point that way your not introducing such large throttle changes as your hovering / landing.

Alternatively you could use a governor....

HTH

Many thanks guys, so u think flatten the curve so based on what i wrote how could i flatten it a bit, will my curve give good headspeed tho

Cheers guys greatly appreciated also does my pitch curve look ok i think this as been my problem all along

Yeah I think it would probably be good having it a bit higher at the point slightly below and up through mid stick with the goal of getting the headspeed back up before the pitch really kicks in.

I know exactly what you mean on the Raptor 30 where you have to anticipate with the throttle / pitch in a descent and now that I'm thinking about it this is probably something I should alter slightly on mine (bringing up the throttle a bit rather than having it quite so linear). As I am not running a gov on mine either at present.

I haven't flown the 30 since late summer and I am a bit spoiled to the power of the .50 engines but I am actually keen to fly the 30 again soon.

It's not possible to predict your head speed as there are so many variables but I would say with your settings it would be a little on the low side.

Maybe go for a normal throttle curve of

0, 50, 65, 75, 100.

and an idle up throttle curve of

100, 75, 65, 75, 100.

It's still the same kind of shape as before but will give greater head speed from mid to 3/4 stick. It may just be on your current settings that the head speed it dropping too much and you're losing some control because of it as you reduce throttle and pitch when landing.

It might be an idea to change the mid point of your pitch curve as well as you're low to mid stick gives a range of 9.5 deg and then only 3.5 deg from mid to high stick. I take it you like hovering at mid stick with those settings. I would be temped to try and make the pitch curve a little more linear to so dont have huge pitch inputs at any given point in the range.

Personally I run at zero pitch mid stick and that way I know high stick is +ve pitch and low stick is -ve pitch and I hover at just under 3/4 stick pos'n.

Maybe reduce your mid stick pitch to 3 deg and that makes the pitch curve a little less aggressive and your not loading up the head so much with your pitch inputs. The only thing by doing that is you'll alter the hover point on your TX but with the extra head speed that you'll have by hovering between mid and 3/4 stick, 70% throttle from your 55%, it will reduce the amount the hover point moves.

You might find the heli a little more responcive to cyclic inputs with the extra head speed but you could always ad some expo to counteract this effect.

There is no right or wrong way to set up your heli, it's you're personal preference at the end of the day and there is no substitute for actually going to fly and start experimenting with pitch and throttle curves. Set it up and fly it, if you don't like it change it and fly again. It takes time but ultimately it's quite rewarding and it'll teach you alot.

HTH

Can I ask why you prefer rate mode? There is very few pilots use it now and HH makes life easier as you dont really need to worry about the tail swinging out like that!

or i could have -3,+3,9 this would give 50% either side

Leave your total pitch range as it is, EI -4 to +9, that's fine for flying circuits and hovering around but change the mid point in your TX to make the pitch +3 degrees from +5.5 as you have now. This will flatten out your pitch curve a little so pitch inputs are more linear

As for throttle I would increase it as sugested above .



So pitch curve becomes 4-, +3, +9.

Actually do you inhibit the 2nd and 4th position or do you only have a 3 point curve in your TX? if you have a 5 point curve then jsut split the difference on the above so :

-4 0 +3 +6 +9 degrees
NB : these figures are degrees of pitch on the blades of your heli so you will need to work out the % value you need to enter in your TX to achieve these settings. Just wanted to be totally clear on that...

Throttle curve

normal throttle curve of

0, 50, 65, 75, 100.

and an idle up throttle curve of

100, 75, 65, 75, 100.

thanks will give that a try and see if it still kicks out many thanks mate, the problem is where i fly there are 2 heli flyers and im 1 of them, i have learnt myself from hover to full circuits but never cracked curves. No crashes yet tho lmao

Cheers guys

This 0, 50, 65, 75, 100 throttle curve is this general for 30 size helis

Thanks,

Jonny

I fly a 30 and a 50 raptor and find that the above throttle curve suits the 30 very well, I like a little more head speed with the 30 around point 2 and 3 as it has not as much power as the 50 to recover from a unintentialy quick decent.
Hope this makes sence.

These throttle curves will give you base line to work from, you might have to tweek them to suit your model. The throttle curve on my raptor is pretty much the same as Martin has posted in both normal and Idle up with maybe one or 2 points different to suit my model and flying style.