Thread: Coolice's Align 3GX Settings Files

Hey All.

Thought it might be a good idea to create myself a seperate topic where I can post any settings files I create for all to have a go with and provide feedback on.

I shall keep this updated as and when I make changes myself, but will appreciate any and all feedback you guys (and gals) can give me along the way which I can perhaps use to make things better.

To keep it simple I will add the firmware version in the file name somewhere so you know what settings file works with which firmware.
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Just been reading a facebook post from America's Leon Luke and he has been asked why he run 14deg of pitch and cyclic here is his answer.

PLEASE NOTE THIS IS TAKEN FROM HIS FACEBOOK POST.

Leon Luke
Someone asked why I use 14 degrees cyclic and 14 pitch....The stickiness in the tic toc as characterized by an inconsistent tic toc where you experience a sudden acceration/slap in the second half of the tic tock is caused by a slow start to the tic toc due to a weak motor or low rotor speed or just bogging the motor as in continuous tic tocs. With a high headspeed via a powerful motor or electric... power, the speed allows the heli to accelerate at the rate you have instructed the gyro to rotate it at ie 300 degrees per second max. If the heli some how due to weak motor/low rotor speed accerates slow at start of tic toc, it will accerate later in the tic toc when it can because you have held the elevator stick in the same position or even gone deeper into the elevator, in essence finally reaching the rotation rate that you have commanded. So in a direction change if you are not accelerating quickly enough, then more pitch ie the 14 degrees may help you accelerate "off the line" so that you do not see a sudden acceration after the heli starts moving in the opposite direction in the tic toc, I have found that this is where the overhsoot and slapping comes from.

If you have instructed the heli to rotate at 300 degress per second, it will with 12 or 14 degrees pitch and it will not rotate faster than 300dps. The only difference is that with 14 degrees cyclic your heli will have a more consistent start and speed to the 300 degree rotation on aileron or elevator. The extra 2 degrees is like a cushion, it is there if your heli needs it to rotate at the desire speed faster/immediately.

Moreover, you can use the cyclic pitch amount to fine tune your heli in the stops as it adds more pitch to a given input by the gyro. So if you heli was skating a bit after a hard stop, maybe increasing or decreasing the cyclic rate to give you the feel you want is possible. Also, adjusting the cyclic with affect the way the heli floats or feels light in a tic toc, adding more cyclic per given input is like adding collective in a tic toc. Most of my tic tocs are comprised mostly of cyclic and very little collective movement.

Finally, just because you have 14 dialled into the machine it does not mean that it will use that much, only if you ask it to. For example you can simply dial down the control rates in the aileron and elevator screens to reduce your rotation rates found in your movement speed screen. So if you have dialled in only 250 degrees, then it will rotate at that rate and no more even if you have 14 degrees cyclic, but it will have enough reserve pitch to get you to and hold that desire rotation rate, should you be slowed down by a hard stop, bogged rotor head, weak motor, heavy wind etc.

More to come as I can remember.
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Im gonna try running 14deg pitch as im getting a little bored of the heli feeling odd and different flight to flight.

I feel Vbar calling louder and louder.

Originally Posted by oneandonlyian

Im gonna try running 14deg pitch as im getting a little bored of the heli feeling odd and different flight to flight.

I feel Vbar calling louder and louder.

might try that after reading leon's post earlier / are you running the gov and if so what % are you using on your 700n ??

Hey.

I don't fully buy into these thoughts myself, I've seen the model flip quickly and then slow down half way though. Also a lack of power would cause a bogging of the head, so adding extra pitch to compensate is only going to make matters worse.
Also there are so many posts saying figures of closer to 170 degrees per second is more than adequate.

The elevator on V1.2b is showing itself to be a little grabby in flight, combine elevator and pitch in a snake and the elevator axis snaps round sharply. I saw the exact same trait in V3 for the 3G and so went back to V2.1.

He talks a lot about slap and overshoot, but I've not seen any of this just a tendancy for the elevator to grab, the flip rate to start of quicker and slow down and elevator bobbles.
I don't even know what he's on about if truth be told :-)

I've got to be honest and say none of LL's settings have felt good or worked for me and there is very little difference between his 700 and 500 settings.
Also a tic-tic is using more collective to bounce it backwards and forwards, rather than an elevator bounce. You're literally throwing the machine back and forth on pitch.

Now my 700E is running again its 3G is feeling so good, my 550 though I'm chasing with this elevator feel and bobbles again. Am thinking I might retry V1.1 and less cyclic pitch, as I've added more to try the above advice out and can't feel it works.
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Hey millerman im using the gov on 1.2 Its very slow on spool up but its great when its up to speed I don't quite know the head speed but it sounds good. +89% seems to work, im not bogging the 700 at all.

Hey coolice.
Im still getting the tick tock issue that LL mentions the second half of the manouver, same in aileron tick tocks. I'm still using your setting and to be fair everything else is great im just stuggling with the tick tock thing.
I have had it whip the nose up violently exiting a loop (but there was a 40mph wind so i put it down to that).

Would be great to get it sorted as it could save me £269 plus a £30 upgrade lol

thanks Ian m

Hi guys, would somebody mind labelling the settings in the .txt files. I have upgareded to V1.2 today and it does seem to be a big improvement, particularly in the transistion between positive/negative pitch, both fast (tic-tocs) and slow (rainbows) transitions.

I can't tell whether the Governor is improved as such, but this is down to an issue with the sensor I am running. Ran it without the governor and the heli was awesome, apart from the head spinning up on fast desecents or transitions. Once I have sorted the sensor issue will report back, but so far, I think the V1.2 software is a definate improvement.

regads

Gavin

Originally Posted by gmurrell

Hi guys, would somebody mind labelling the settings in the .txt files. I have upgareded to V1.2 today and it does seem to be a big improvement, particularly in the transistion between positive/negative pitch, both fast (tic-tocs) and slow (rainbows) transitions.

I can't tell whether the Governor is improved as such, but this is down to an issue with the sensor I am running. Ran it without the governor and the heli was awesome, apart from the head spinning up on fast desecents or transitions. Once I have sorted the sensor issue will report back, but so far, I think the V1.2 software is a definate improvement.

regads

Gavin

Hello mate.

Just load the settings text file into the 3GX pc software mate, then you can view where I have set all the sliders to before sending them across to the model.

As I posted in the other thread I've downgraded back to V1.1 and its better I think, no nasty feel to the model. Still needs tweeking but a much better base.
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Ian

For some reason I can't load the txt. files, even the ones I have previously saved. I will try again and post the error message I receive, but I have to re-enter all of mine manually. I will post a detailed set of my settings on here, as my Vibe 50 flies absolutely rock solid with the V1.2.

Many thanks

Gavin

Originally Posted by gmurrell

Ian

For some reason I can't load the txt. files, even the ones I have previously saved. I will try again and post the error message I receive, but I have to re-enter all of mine manually. I will post a detailed set of my settings on here, as my Vibe 50 flies absolutely rock solid with the V1.2.

Many thanks

Gavin

Hey buddy.

Ah, saved settings files from V1.1 pc software will not open up in V1.2 beta's pc software and vice versa. Think there is a difference in how they are saved, even though they are still text files they won't open and give an error on screen.
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Ian,

But of course, that would make things too simple now wouldn;t it!!!! ha ha. Will list my settings in full on here somtime tomorrow, in case they are of use to anyone else, like I said my Vibe flies likes it's on rail, and now the engine is keeping power, it's absolutely stonking.

Thanks for the replies on this.

regards

Gavin

Ian any updates for the 500 and 450?
In v 1.2?
Thanks again Ian.

Originally Posted by heliboy

Ian any updates for the 500 and 450?
In v 1.2?
Thanks again Ian.

Hello Mate.

No I'm afraid I don't yet have any updates, as I am not flying 3G/GX's myself anymore I'm not fine tuning on my own models.
What I am doing is writing these files to other peoples models, but then they tell me they fly so well I don't have to make anymore adjustments lol, que big head.

I also only tried the V1.2 beta release, didn't like it's feel and went back to V1.1 on my 550 and 450. Many others are now following suit reading the other forums.
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